32X vs. 3DO vs. Jaguar

[playgen]

What about shoot-em-ups, the Saturn has tons of those

[jesus.arnold]

What about shoot-em-ups, the Saturn has tons of those

To me the phrase "kicked the shit out of" would imply a massive gulf between each of the console's libraries, there is not a massive gulf between the PS1 and the Saturn in the shoot-em-up genre. Though I would agree that the Saturn is better than the PS1 in the genre it is only by a small margin.

[j_factor]

god it must've been worse than I thought, you couldn't even think of 3 stand-out games, I mean Clockwork Knight? seriously?, it's a good game but hardly anything worth writing home about, the same goes for Mr Bones which looked very impressive for the time but has aged terribly now.

The games I listed for Playstation weren't necessarily stand-out games either. The two systems share a lot of platformers in common; I was merely listing the only exclusives I could think of. (I don't really consider Heart of Darkness or Shinobi to be platformers.) It just so happens that they have the same number. You could argue about this game or that game, but really, I don't see how Klonoa, Oddworld, and Lomax combined "completely obliterate" Astal, Clockwork Knight, and Mr. Bones combined. Even if you think the former group is better overall, you must have a crazy definition of "obliterate" for that word to be remotely appropriate. Four good games does not obliterate four "less good" games.

[jesus.arnold]

The games I listed for Playstation weren't necessarily stand-out games either. The two systems share a lot of platformers in common; I was merely listing the only exclusives I could think of. (I don't really consider Heart of Darkness or Shinobi to be platformers.) It just so happens that they have the same number. You could argue about this game or that game, but really, I don't see how Klonoa, Oddworld, and Lomax combined "completely obliterate" Astal, Clockwork Knight, and Mr. Bones combined. Even if you think the former group is better overall, you must have a crazy definition of "obliterate" for that word to be remotely appropriate. Four good games does not obliterate four "less good" games.

no those few games you mentioned on the PS1 don't obliterate the Saturn's library, add the other 30 odd high quality platformers on the PS1 you didn't mention and thats where the obliteration starts.

[j_factor]

no those few games you mentioned on the PS1 don't obliterate the Saturn's library, add the other 30 odd high quality platformers on the PS1 you didn't mention and thats where the obliteration starts.

The other 30 odd high quality platformers... such as...?

[Tanegashima]

What about:
Far superior versions of:

Rayman
Mega Man 8 & X4

Thunderforce V
Metal Slug (not missing tons of animations, sounds and does not have laggish controls)
Silhouette Mirage

And exclusives
Radiant Silvergun
Night Striker S
Deep Fear
Dragon Force
Guardian Heroes
Iron Storm
Shinobi X
NighTs into Dreams
Panzer Dragoons

The arcade ports alone make the Saturn better AFAIC: In the Hunt (I think it's better on the Saturn than PSX), Night Striker S, Space Harrier, Afterburner, Virtua Fighter 2/Remix (Hell, as you already said--ALL the fighting games--Marvel games, Street Fighters,) all the Capcom compilations and SNK compilations that include shooters that were never released on the PSX, Earthworm Jim 2 SE which is far better on the Saturn, House of the Dead, Virtua Cop,

In fact, I'll venture to say that every 2-D game released on the Saturn is far superior period. The Saturn had arcade perfect ports, the PSX did not. The problem this presents is the preferences of two different types of gamers too. But the 3-D/2-D argument aside, the Saturn wins on the merits above.

I also did not intend for my facetious remark about the Saturn "kicking the shit" out of the PSX to be taken so literally/seriously. I mean who cares really, they both had many of the exact same game released. But I also want to add that the true potential of the Saturn graphically/game play was never realized. It was out for 3 years or so and it takes that long at least before a system really shines in terms of it's potential. The Genesis games of the 32-bit era are some of the greatest that ever came out for said system. The PSX was around for nearly/over ten years. Of course it's going to be more finely tuned, have a bigger selection. Had the Saturn lasted, it's potential could have been realized and the two would have basically been on par. But in terms of games, I enjoy the Saturn exclusives far more and the games that came out on both, I just find more convenient to play on the Saturn.

I have a handful of PSX games, like Heart of Darkness (I waited so long for this game, it was the reason I bought a PSX) and Fade to Black because I'm a Flashback fanboy. You Don't Know Jack is a party fav too on the PSX. But yeah, we're fighting an endless battle here one that we all know the saturn would win


Ahem, and the 3DO is better than the 32X and the Jaguar combined too...damn it.

But then again, the Phillips CD-i was better than the Saturn, Genesis, PSX, and PS3 Combined...

This argument is insane. We all have different tastes, it's like arguing why the color blue is better than the color red.

Why don't we all just agree that video games rock, the 32-bit era rocked (best 16 bit games came out, awesome home arcade ports, neeto turn in the video game wars), we all like tons of varied, strange and awesome shit. Everything/something always sucks to someone, but we can all agree that video games just kick ass (at least until now, I'm not too sure about this generation...uh oh...)

[Barnard]

Rubbish fact alert!

For the Jaguar to utilise the Q sound technology in game the midi chip had to be disabled, this is why games such as Doom had no music. To get the diectional sound routine to work there had to be no music playing.

[gamevet]

First of all, that's shipped, not sold, so those numbers don't mean much. Secondly, I don't know why you're bringing up 1997. I said Saturn outsold Playstation for a time, and it did. Remember that the two systems launched in 1994. You know what happened in 1997? Final Fantasy VII. At that point Playstation pulled ahead. That's still a significant gap of time, though.

I guess Saturn never "way" outsold Playstation, but it was ahead for a while.

Sony wasn't going to ship millions of units, if they aren't selling.

I brought up 1997, because you were saying that the numbers weren't comparable, because the Saturn was dicontinued in 1998. The fact remains that the Playstation shipped/sold over 10 million units in Japan by the end of 1997; far eclipsing the total number of Saturns sold in the land of the rising sun.

The Saturn did, however, have more software sold per unit at that time.

[Sergeant_Sega]

3DO is the only console of the three that I have not played before. The Jaguard I did not like at all, the pad was truly terrible and the games I got for it was really terrible. White Men Can't Jump, omg, so awful it almost made me cry...

The 32X stand out to me as the least bad of the bunch, and it does have some cool games. Too bad it ended up as a one trick pony add-on...

[djtwok]

Would one of the three systems theoretically be able to playback mp3s ?

[Tanegashima]

No, none of the systems are capable of playing MP3's considering MP3 wasn't even really something around for the public until mid 1995. All of these systems were designed and some released several years prior. Also, the Jaguar would need it's CD attachment but still can't play mp3 and the 3DO doesn't either.

[MN12BIRD]

You don't need any special hardware to playback an MP3, just the right software and a processor fast enough to decode it so the years they are released has nothing to do with it. My AMD 486 75MHZ Machine predated mid 1995 but it could still play MP3s when they became popular.

I would think the 3DO "could" playback "some" MP3s like lower compression, super low KHz, mono, Non-VBR but even that would be pushing it!

Anyone?

[Zebbe]

In fact, I'll venture to say that every 2-D game released on the Saturn is far superior period.

What about Castlevania: Symphony of the Night?

[Tanegashima]

I think the graphics are sharper in the Saturn version (Nocturne in Moonlight/Dracula X) and I like the way the game begins a little better. However, the PSX version is far more playable simply because it is in english. But all in all I'd say they're very close...

[jesus.arnold]

The other 30 odd high quality platformers... such as...?

Firstly I have to say that I have a very limited knowledge of the PS1 game library, partly due to the fact that I didn't have one originally, but mostly due to the fact that there are just soooooo many games (over 5000 releases) so I'm probably ignorant of at least 50% of the good platformers.

Apart from the aforementioned Lomax, Klonoa, Abe's Odysee, and Heart of Darkness, there's Strider 2, Abe's Exodus, Tombi 1, Tombi 2, Gunners Heaven, Mega Man X 5, Mega Man X 6, Umihara Kawase Shun, Wild 9, Skull Monkeys, Hermie Hopperhead, Metal Slug X. Also, seeing as you're already mentioning decent-good tier games most of the disney platformers such as Hercules and Peter Pan could also be considered.