Paprium: The Official Thread Mk 2

[SEGA-Jorge]

What's weird is that we are actively playing out worst-case scenarios, explaining our reactions to each one, and providing potential consolations, explanations, Etc. We're effectively handing Fonzie the list of things he can do in the event he doesn't release the game. Which is seeming more and more likely.

This whole situation looks like he just bailed out and ran with the money. I mean, almost no one can get a hold of him, his direct employee can't seem to confirm his whereabouts, and what seems like the entirety of the development team has been shut out. There is no way to paint a positive picture in this scenario, if you're not worried, frustrated, or simply starting the process to see what you can do to get your investment back, you're not paying attention.

This is not like Pier Solar, this looks entirely like Paprium is simply not happening. WM looks to be in dire straights, and literally not a single person can confirm the status of the game, or it's last remaining developer.

[majinga]

The game has a custom chip, the ROM can be useless. If the chip is used only for the audio improvement, maybe the game still playable. But if it's involved also in memory management, without emulate it, there is no chance to run the game.

[XGoldenboyX]

I doubt anyone but Fonzie has the ROM.

I got the asset's! If he ever bails.. I'll just put a game together I guess Lol !

[aha2940]

I got the asset's! If he ever bails.. I'll just put a game together I guess Lol !

So, you also have the engine code and the sound code to make it work?

[zredgemz]

Fonzie not saying anything to anyone is not new so i wouldn't be alarmed by that. Like Tulio said. His ego is too big to not release the game. There are things to be worried about for sure but i still believe Fonzie will deliver. We need some pictures and some time table and people who want out to be given a refund.

[matteus]

So, you also have the engine code and the sound code to make it work?

That wouldn't legally be his however the assets could be used given Luis has never been paid for them...

[aha2940]

Fonzie not saying anything to anyone is not new so i wouldn't be alarmed by that. Like Tulio said. His ego is too big to not release the game.

Trusting psychological aspects of people at this point does not seem trustworthy. Especially considering that he seems to be working alone (that is, assuming he's working on anything, and that's assuming he's even alive and well). No matter how big his ego is, he has a physical limit on what he can do, and I do not think he can release anything all by himself.

That wouldn't legally be his however the assets could be used given Luis has never been paid for them...

I see, thanks for the clarification.

[Epyx]

I am really looking forward to this when it eventually comes out, beat 'em ups are my favourite genre.

The only thing I don't like is that they have added an extra sound chip to the cart, I would have preferred proper Mega Drive sound.

[zredgemz]

Trusting psychological aspects of people at this point does not seem trustworthy. Especially considering that he seems to be working alone (that is, assuming he's working on anything, and that's assuming he's even alive and well). No matter how big his ego is, he has a physical limit on what he can do, and I do not think he can release anything all by himself.


I see, thanks for the clarification.

He's always alone during production.

[108 Stars]

Super good. I have awesome conversations with him, and I think he's one of the personalities of our scene. Plus it's also so fun to ague with him that Mitsuda>Uematsu, hahaha.

Stick around Daniel. We love you here.

Good isn't it

Der Kaiser is back! Nice to see you again, 108 Stars!

What's this bowel movement... Are the emotions overcoming me or is it the Chili I ate yesterday... ?

Thanks guys.

Concerning Paprika being released or not... While I do not agree with Fonzie a lot of times, and think his ego is too big...
I still do think he wants to deliver the game. I have never thought of him as a guy to take money and run away. A guy who takes money, manages it badly and does not feel the need to justify his actions... But not scamming customers on purpose.

So I still do believe the game will eventually come out. He is a perfectionist, and his ego does imo not allow him to fail. Unless he literally runs out of money and finds no new source or has work he can not do himself he will try to deliver.

What was said here several times comes into play: he has no malicious intent, he is just bad with people and believes no matter how angry customers were, his game will be so amazing all will be forgotten when they finally play it.
I bet in his mind this is at worst a down period before his triumph.

Still leaning towards a release happening. But on the other hand I don't think (and don't hope) people will really forget the road to it and willingly crowdfund his next project.

I may be totally wrong with my optimism, I may be naive... I have been in the past ... But I rather stay positive and hope an amazing game comes around than writing it off yet.

[XGoldenboyX]

Fonzie not saying anything to anyone is not new so i wouldn't be alarmed by that. Like Tulio said. His ego is too big to not release the game. There are things to be worried about for sure but i still believe Fonzie will deliver. We need some pictures and some time table and people who want out to be given a refund.

Are you kidding me... "not be alarmed" by Fonzie not saying anything to anyone ? How many more cases need to be made on this subject? It's pure disrespect and I decided to speak for the manny people who feel the same way, may it be volontary or not. There has been manny times when others inclusing myself have tried to put some sence on this guys head. Tulio sure did try hard and failed. That alone speak's allot for of his behaviours. He's fully aware.

I have never thought of him as a guy to take money and run away. A guy who takes money, manages it badly and does not feel the need to justify his actions

A guy that manages bad his stress, doesnt keep his closer team members in the loop and does not feel the need to justify his actions, is a serious problem in any developement and relationships with others. he would be fired in an instant in any AAA companies I have worked for. Sorry and I dont want to offend those who try to defend Fonzie, but a person that isnt even capable of giving an honest apology to anyone for his mistakes and doesnt see wrong in what he does.... I't's baffling.

And if his ego is that big and the game sees the light of day, then good. It deserves to be released, more power to those that worked hard to make this a reality and without my involvement, Paprium would have been the shadow of what it is now.

Anyways, I think I will stop posting now lol , because it's seriouslly I'm way to upset.

[Sik]

The game has a custom chip, the ROM can be useless. If the chip is used only for the audio improvement, maybe the game still playable. But if it's involved also in memory management, without emulate it, there is no chance to run the game.

Virtua Racing used to be in a similar situation as nobody could figure out what the SVP was based on for years. And MAME emulates several games that included coprocessors and deceyption chips made just to make it hard to clone them (to varying degrees of success).

I'd say it's not entirely undoable.

[matteus]

As you say Dan he's not a scammer just shit with money. I dunno I'm a glass half full kinda guy this could go either way. If he hasn't put the money into actually producing the game we're now all officially buggered but if he has then things will be fine.

[aha2940]

Virtua Racing used to be in a similar situation as nobody could figure out what the SVP was based on for years. And MAME emulates several games that included coprocessors and deceyption chips made just to make it hard to clone them (to varying degrees of success).

I'd say it's not entirely undoable.

However, there is a difference. With Virtua Racing, there were lots of physical copies, with the chip inside, that could be studied to be understood. With paprium all we have is promises and a couple videos.

[108 Stars]

Sorry but people who ever they are, who try to defend a person that isnt even capable of giving an honest apology to anyone and doesnt see wrong in what he does.... I'm baffled.

And if his ego is that big and the game sees the light of day, then good. It deserves to be released, more power to those that worked hard to make this a reality and without my involvement, Paprium would have been the shadow of what it is now.

Anyways, I think I will stop posting now lol , because it's seriouslly getting to me.

Dude, calm down.
I am NOT defending Fonzie. All you say is true.
What I am saying is that I do not believe as some have guessed that he scammed them. Scamming requires a bad intention. If you promise a product, take the money and run with no intention of delivering you are a scammer. If you just suck at your job and do it badly, you are not really scamming but rather failing.

My point is that he never intended to not release it. I believe he actually wants to and obsesses over the game. How he treats people, money, management and all that stuff is a different matter. He is just shit at that. But he is not betraying customers on purpose.

And I think because it was never his intention to run away with the money he is still trying to get it out. It is in his obsessive nature.

That is not "defending" Fonzie, it is merely trying to explain his motives.