Paprium: The Official Thread Mk 2

[Devil N]

Go tmy copies today. Apparently I had ordered two. Maybe one of them is Dave's? I have no idea. Got one investor copy and one plastic clamshell copy.

Anyway on January 3rd my review will be up on Game Sack. It will have clean capture and stereo sound, of course. Already have an hour and a half of capture (second time playing) and I'll capture more in the coming days. The news about it not working on 1601 model 1s is a pretty good troll. Actually got me pretty good when I turned it on the first time. Spoiler: It works fine.

Can't wait to hear your unsalted opinion on it.

It's a divisive game for sure. All of the criticisms raised towards Paprium are very valid, but whether its flaws ruin the game for you or if you like it despite the flaws, is very much down to personal taste. Personally I am enjoying it but I also acknowledge that if it was "just" a beat-em-up game, I probably would've been done with it by now.

[pepodmc]

For me, the best beat em up i played is Bare Knuckle 3. I really liked the art style of the character sprites, the general feeling of the game has a better "dirtier/street" feeling compared to Bare knuckle 2. The vault system, the special metter, lateral roll to avoid attacks,combined attacks with your partner, special attacks with bats, swords,knifes, etc depeding of what character you are using. Defensive special, offensive special, the stars attacks. The faster gameplay. Different stage routes.
The music compositions are worse than Bare Knuckle 3 and the final boss is awful (Neo.x), but in everything else, it beats Sor 2 for me.

And second place is The punisher from Capcom. The aggresivenes of the gameplay, and the high ammount of moves and variation of moves that the character has (two more if you play the japanese version).
A lot of people prefer cadillacs and dinosaurs and i dont know why. Im not saying that C&D is bad, only that i dont care having more playable characters if they will be very basic gameplay wise.

[cleeg]

Go tmy copies today. Apparently I had ordered two. Maybe one of them is Dave's? I have no idea. Got one investor copy and one plastic clamshell copy.

Anyway on January 3rd my review will be up on Game Sack. It will have clean capture and stereo sound, of course. Already have an hour and a half of capture (second time playing) and I'll capture more in the coming days. The news about it not working on 1601 model 1s is a pretty good troll. Actually got me pretty good when I turned it on the first time. Spoiler: It works fine.

Is that the same for Mega SGs?

[Barman]

Awesome contributions, Sarge! Rep given.

So, to summarize:
- Mega Drive units, be it MD1 or MD2, which would freeze at Paprium's copyright screen will boot and run the game normally if a Sega CD is connect to their expansion slot.
- The Sega CD does NOT need to be powered on to fix the issue.
- Given that, I assume that all the switched off Sega CD is doing is grounding those expansion slot pins when its connected to the Mega Drive.

Additional info provided later by CrossBow:
- Having a 32X attached fixed the issue with his VA6 as well. To be checked with other models but it could be another way to workaround the problem.
However, simulating the attachment of a 32X is a far more difficulty proposal, so the "fake Sega CD fix" is still the best route to try IMO.


Suggestion to those facing the same issue, which don't have a Sega CD and with at least minimal electronics understanding:
- Try to ground the expansion ports and see if it fixes the issue.

I'd bet you don't need to ground all the pins, maybe just the right one would be enough.
It's a trial and error process that could bring a very good outcome.

Could you explain a way to ground the pins!, With alligator clips for example, but connected to what?
Mucho thanks

[Joe Redifer]

No, only the minigame shows up on my Mega SG.

[cawley1]

My copy arrived today despite there being no change in the shipping status.

Any idea which courier they are using?

[Vludi]

Burning Fight looks good no? It has a lot of fun features.

I think it looks fine, just not as stylish as the others.

A lot of people prefer cadillacs and dinosaurs and i dont know why. Im not saying that C&D is bad, only that i dont care having more playable characters if they will be very basic gameplay wise.

? I don't find Punisher particularly more complex than Cadillacs, there are a few more moves in Punisher but nothing too crazy. I like it but it's a bit on the easy side compared to other Capcom beat 'em ups due to the 'nades feature, also too much walls and gunning that kinda trivialize crowd control.

[Barone]

I got one of my 32X systems working. Turns out it was the ribbon cables, so now I have one that solidly works again. Bet my other one has a loosening cable, which is why it sort of works.

Anyway, I tested with two of the Model 1 systems (120070156 and 320079524), and they do boot with a 32X attached. It also worked with Gen+SegaCD+32X on the original VA6 system (120070156) I tested.

Thanks a lot for confirming that plugging a 32X also fixes the copyright screen freeze issue.

Could you explain a way to ground the pins!, With alligator clips for example, but connected to what?
Mucho thanks

Connect a pin to the negative side of a capacitor to ground it. With alligator clips it will only be feasible in MD1 where you have non SMD electronics all around.
Be careful, avoid having the alligator clip touching the positive side of the capacitor.

For non-soldered attempts, I'd rather use a thin wire with one end manually put around the negative leg of a capacitor and the other end attached to a pin with insulation tape.

[Barman]

Connect a pin to the negative side of a capacitor to ground it. With alligator clips it will only be feasible in MD1 where you have non SMD electronics all around.
Be careful, avoid having the alligator clip touching the positive side of the capacitor.

For non-soldered attempts, I'd rather use a thin wire with one end manually put around the negative leg of a capacitor and the other end attached to a pin with insulation tape.

Excellent, thanks. I will try that if I run into problems launching the game.

[Devil N]

The only other guy that I saw reporting random freezes was also using a 50Hz system:
https://twitter.com/_tapule/status/1341824843973574664

I think it can be related to the 50Hz timing, it's the only thing that makes sense in my mind.

I'm not implying that the game will always freeze like that at 50Hz in any other Mega Drive, but it can be an issue specific to 50Hz.

I hadn't really tried playing in 50 Hz mode yet but I just did, and I was able to get past the third stage in Arcade mode without any problems. So it's definitely not a 100% repro in 50 Hz mode, but you may be on to something.

I kinda wish I could visit loempiavreter one of these days, because with our combined Mega Drives and copies of the game, we could gather a lot of information and eliminate a lot of possible causes I think.

[Phantar]

Hi, does it have an "R" for "registered" on the right of the Sega Logo, on the front of the console?
I received my Japanese and Euro investor editions, but my MegaDrive (a Japanese model 1 with High definition graphics" and no R on the the Sega Logo) is at my parent's house. I think it's a VA5, and I sure hope it plays the game.
The serial is something like G21XXXXXX

No, no R, just the Sega Logo.

[Ryoandr]

Thanks a lot for confirming that plugging a 32X also fixes the copyright screen freeze issue.



Connect a pin to the negative side of a capacitor to ground it. With alligator clips it will only be feasible in MD1 where you have non SMD electronics all around.
Be careful, avoid having the alligator clip touching the positive side of the capacitor.

For non-soldered attempts, I'd rather use a thin wire with one end manually put around the negative leg of a capacitor and the other end attached to a pin with insulation tape.

Excellent, thanks. I will try that if I run into problems launching the game.

That's a bit hard core
I would wait a bit if some MD experts have some safer way.

[Barman]

I would try it without soldering at first, of course, to see if that works. It's pretty fool proof.

[pepodmc]

I think it looks fine, just not as stylish as the others.

? I don't find Punisher particularly more complex than Cadillacs, there are a few more moves in Punisher but nothing too crazy. I like it but it's a bit on the easy side compared to other Capcom beat 'em ups due to the 'nades feature, also too much walls and gunning that kinda trivialize crowd control.

Compared to cadillacs, there are various moves:

I cadillac you have:

*The normal combo
*When you grab an enemy you have two hits and a throw
*jump kick
*Diagonal kick from the air.
*Special of the character.
*You can run (i remark this because in some beat em ups, you cant run)
*Running attack (run and press attack button)

In the punisher you have:

*Normal combo of the character (4 hits)
*Combo if you keep pressing foward that send the enemy very far and hits other enemies (3 hits)
*When you grab an enemy you have two hits and a throw
*While grabbing the enemy, you can jump to throw the enemy from the air to hit the enemies above.
*While grabbing the enemy, you can jump and press the attack "button + down" to fall upside down (if you press the two
buttons in the highest position, it wil fall with more power saying "aaaaaah" )
*You can grab enemies from the floor.
*Jump Kick
*You have a wall jump kick
*If you press down-up + attack button, you will make a blue fire kick (only in japanese version)
*You dont run in this game , but you can roll, and you can turn in any direction. Even a lateral roll to avoid attacks
*After you roll, you can do a frontal kick pressing attack button.
*if you roll, jump and press the attack button in the highest position, you will fall with a flame kick (only in japanese version)
*Special of the character (if you roll before doing it, he will do a faster version of it)
*Special of the character while grabbing the enemy.
*You can throw a bomb from the air (and from the floor too)


In the punisher you can do a lot more things than in cadillacs, cadillacs feels pretty basic in that aspect.

Denjin makai 2 for me it feels like when someone makes an openbor beat em up with original characters and feels a little off and with a moveset of a character coming more from a versus fighting game than from a beat em up. Feels off for some reason, i dont know if its because of the the hitstun feel or the movements the characters have.

[Barman]

No, no R, just the Sega Logo.

Ah, shit, mine looks the same.