Paprium: The Official Thread Mk 2

[Gadispalembang]

No problem. I just wished I had come across this page earlier. Just reading about the fact that a Sega CD
being present increases chances of the game running, immediately reminded me of seeing that ceramic
capacitor at one point when I first opened the system.

[majinga]

I mean, EVERY chip that was covered in the gunk. If you updated that post, then I'll take a look at it. ...

Yes, every chip. Maybe it was not clear from the other posts.
chips.jpg

[chilled]

I think, as I said, that Fonzie knows most people buying this game don't have neither a Mega SG nor any external upscaler so modern TVs are still a problem image quality wise (lag was never the only problem). Most buyers just dug up their old megadrive from the basement or more likely bought a second hand one from ebay etc to relive their childhood memories. Those are connecting via composite (or RGB en Europe) most likely, directly to the TV. Good luck having a good enough image quality on that (moreso on dithered games).

[Gadispalembang]

Yes, every chip. Maybe it was not clear from the other posts.
chips.jpg

Ah yeah, that Spansion chip slipped through my fingers.

[Devil N]

I think, as I said, that Fonzie knows most people buying this game don't have neither a Mega SG nor any external upscaler so modern TVs are still a problem image quality wise (lag was never the only problem). Most buyers just dug up their old megadrive from the basement or more likely bought a second hand one from ebay etc to relive their childhood memories. Those are connecting via composite (or RGB en Europe) most likely, directly to the TV. Good luck having a good enough image quality on that (moreso on dithered games).

But isn't that everyone's own responsibility? I sure don't need Fonzie to tell me that my setup is not good enough for his high standards. It's preachy and elitist finger wagging. If I have the hardware that will allow me to run the game, just let me enjoy it in my own way.

Besides, the point I tried to make earlier is that people have more options now, options that weren't available 10 years ago. If you're willing to spend some time on research, you can find some very accessible and reasonably affordable ways now to get a high-quality, accurate and authentic retro gaming experience on a modern flatscreen TV. Fonzie is casually dismissing all of those options with invalid and outdated arguments.

[SEGA-Jorge]

The game is properly level shifted if you are worried about that. was like ten pages back or something.

Okay, that's really great to hear. Thanks for the info!

[Armoured Priest]

That makes me wonder...has anyone tried plugging a Sega CD into the Mega SG to see if that gets Paprium to work in a Mega SG?

[SEGA-Jorge]

I want new Megadrive/Genesis games, but I learned my lesson. I need WM/Fonzie to shoot straight with the community that put its trust and money into his team. I can't in good faith keep giving this guy money, so he can fail to deliver on even the most simplest of dev updates, etc. I'm willing to miss out on his games to demand professional integrity from the indi-devs I support.

Best of luck to WM/Fonzie. If you ever deicide to get your act together and maintain a more realistic, professional, transparent development process, make sure to let us know.

[SEGA-Jorge]

Here are results of testing with my cart on some NTSC models I have on hand with my cart:

Note: These are results from the consoles themselves without any attachments-

Model 1 va2: Works correctly and is the main console I've been playing the game with since I got it yesterday afternoon
Model 1 va6: Works only when attached to model 2 SegaCD unit or has a 32x attached.
Model 2 va1: Works properly
Model 1 va3 - works
JPN MD Model 1 va3 - works

In summary, all of my on hand Genesis units play the game just fine minus my model 1 va6 which appears to require either the 32x to be attached to it or for it to be attached to the SegaCD in order for the game to boot past the copyright screen. Once booted they game plays just fine on that particular variant.

Um, I'm playing just fine on a Model 1 VA6. No Sega CD/32x.

[chilled]

But isn't that everyone's own responsibility? I sure don't need Fonzie to tell me that my setup is not good enough for his high standards. It's preachy and elitist finger wagging. If I have the hardware that will allow me to run the game, just let me enjoy it in my own way.

Besides, the point I tried to make earlier is that people have more options now, options that weren't available 10 years ago. If you're willing to spend some time on research, you can find some very accessible and reasonably affordable ways now to get a high-quality, accurate and authentic retro gaming experience on a modern flatscreen TV. Fonzie is casually dismissing all of those options with invalid and outdated arguments.

Agreed with everything in this post, except maybe I wouldn´t call Mega SG / OSSC affordable. 10 years ago you could already do that with the expensive framemeister. I'm glad there are cheaper options now (pretty happy with my rad2x)

[Devil N]

Yeah I didn't specifically mean the Mega Sg or the OSSC there, though the OSSC has come down in price significantly last year. The RAD2X cables are a great quality and affordable option, and their existence is a real boon to the retro gaming community.

Also I would be hard pressed to call any of the XRGB upscalers 'accessible' at the best of times, let alone 10 years ago. For the longest time you could only import them from Asia and they've always been very expensive. Not to mention they're very fiddly to get working right. I see them more as power user options, for example for the prosumer who wants to make high quality recordings. That's what I bought my Framemeister for anyway. For regular gameplay purposes the aforementioned line doublers are much, much better options.

[Rapha7]

If your game is supposed to be limited to only working with original hardware, then you'd better make sure it ACTUALLY does with every single official hardware version before bragging about how purist the game is.

Also, if newer technology is so evil, why make use of it inside the cartridge itself? With this logic, the game should be impressive by only pushing the Genesis to its limits without any additional stuff, just by the use of clever and optimised coding.

[chilled]

the game is so pure it requires TMSS because someone has to check for its purity upon boot

also owning non tmss hardware is probably illegal

[Melf]

CRTs won't last forever but real Mega Drive hardware will last much longer than we will and practically forever. It's not a real solution to getting your Mega Drive to play on your TV by throwing it away and using an emulation box instead.

We've had upscalers that work as well as fake hardware for longer than fake hardware has been around. Classic game fans should be more supportive of upscaling solutions and devices like MiSTer which doesn't gouge end users and preserves vintage games.

Devices like Mega SG only damage authentic carts so that players can larp playing a collectible.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with this at all. What's the point of selling a retro game if you're going to deliberately kneecap a good portion of the people who would buy it? Also, why do you think people should all have some kind of workaround to make their console work? Who cares what people use, as long as they play and enjoy the games? I own a Mega SG because I can easily play my Genesis games in HDMI without upscalers and other workarounds. That's not "larping," it's simply my preference. No one is going to take your collector card away if I can play on my Mega SG, and using a pre-TMSS model 1 on a 1989 20-inch Zenith TV doesn't make you cooler than me.

I would think the goal of someone selling a product would be to make said product available to as wide an audience as possible. Fonzie is hampering his own business by not doing so. He's also completely full of shit with his elitist attitude towards only using original hardware when, like others have pointed out, he can't even get his own product to work on that hardware. It's like shooting yourself in front of a room of doctors and then saying you're better than they are at treating wounds when you only took a first aid class. Such stupid, misplaced pride only leads to you bleeding to death for no reason.

If anyone wants to dislocate their shoulder patting themselves on the back because they have all the tech bullshit needed to play a 16-bit game on a modern TV, then they can go for it. I think it's elitist bullshit that does nothing for the hobby, and it certainly doesn't do anything for WM's already shit-stained reputation.

[NeoVamp]

The only problem I have with clone hardware like the Mega SG is that they chose to sell it with their own console case,
if I were to buy something like that I'd like to put it in an original MD1 for the correct feel.

otherwise you're just.. playing your carts on something that's not the MD/Gen imo.