Genre Spotlight: Soccer-Rama

[108 Stars]

Well, Zebbe, tha proves that you have no idea what you are talking about. What´s wrong with a movie-license? And what do you mean by stolen? You can say that 99% of all Run and Guns are a rip offs, just like any Shoot em up. You are really talking a bunch of shit here.

And telling me I only like them because they are German is a personal insult.

[megabomberman]

Aw fantastic, I'm back a day and ye guys are still at it, i love it, in defence of 108 iss truly is the greatest soccer game, possibly of all time its so much fun, and has such character.... regarding the turrican series... the first few are slightly shabby and contraesque, but it is a 2d platform shooter you could just as easily compare it to "robocop vs terminator" what happens later in the series though is that it blossoms into a completely different game to contra. A much more measured and patient gameplay evolves.... the bosses are an act of concentration and analysis whereas contra is so raw.... on the topic of the rest of the debate, I have nothing to add!

[Zebbe]

Well, Zebbe, tha proves that you have no idea what you are talking about. What´s wrong with a movie-license? And what do you mean by stolen? You can say that 99% of all Run and Guns are a rip offs, just like any Shoot em up. You are really talking a bunch of shit here.

Nothing is wrong with a movie-license, but an unreleased one together with a run 'n' gun franchise is not enough for a company to be called one of the best 68k developers. Turrican may be a great series, but did it do wonders with the hardware or leave an impact on gaming? No, but TechnoSoft reinvented the RTS genre with Herzog Zwei and defined how 68k shmups should look like with the Thunder Force series and Treasure were known to maximize the MD hardware with Gunstar Heroes, Alien Soldier and Yu Yu Hakusho. I think that deserves the title 68k masters, if anything.

And telling me I only like them because they are German is a personal insult.

I thought you knew me better, 108 Stars. I very surprised you take that as an insult. In fact, I am insulted because you took that as an insult.

[108 Stars]

Please, Mega Turrican did wonders with the hardware; it was about the very best ever seen on the Mega Drive to it´s day. That´s just maximizing the hardware like Treasure did; state of the art in 1993.

And you completely ignore the Amiga; an 68 000 machine, where Factor 5 originally got it´s cult-status from for having setting new standards in technological ways. They only did very few MD titles, granted, but what they did was among the very best, and they gained their great reputation for a reason. They later did some of the most impressive N64 and GC-games. This is no amateur-group.

And Chris Hülsbeck is one of the most famous game-musicians of the era.

[Zebbe]

Please, Mega Turrican did wonders with the hardware; it was about the very best ever seen on the Mega Drive to it´s day. That´s just maximizing the hardware like Treasure did; state of the art in 1993.

Give examples.

And you completely ignore the Amiga; an 68 000 machine, where Factor 5 originally got it´s cult-status from for having setting new standards in technological ways. They only did very few MD titles, granted, but what they did was among the very best, and they gained their great reputation for a reason. They later did some of the most impressive N64 and GC-games. This is no amateur-group.

No, I didn't ignore the Amiga. I said Turrican franchise after all and Mega Turrican was the only MD Turrican game by Factor 5. Together with the ISSD port, which was worse than the SNES game, I wouldn't say they did among the very best.

And Chris Hülsbeck is one of the most famous game-musicians of the era.

Paris Hilton is much more famous, but that doesn't really make her any better. Toshiharu Yamanishi is less famous than both, but still better.

[108 Stars]

Examples for WHAT? Mega Turrican was just looking great, with very good level-design, visual style, smooth framerate, nice effects and big bosses.

ISS:
YOU and that article say the MD port was worse, my magazines say it is better. You should know that I of all people say when something on the MD sucks imo, but in this case the MD game is just an improvement.

And Chris Hülsbeck´s music talent should be beyond doubt; sad if it´s not your taste, but Hülsbeck has deserved his cult status just as Uematsu and Koshiro. He is one of the best. Unlike Paris Hilton, he did not become famous because of media presence. He was just part of one of so many small teams in the homecomputer-scene, and he bacame famous because his music stood out.

To show that I am not a loyal Factor 5-follower: The later so famous members of Factor 5 really began with stealing ideas: Great Gianna Sisters is an obvious clone of Super Mario Bros, as Katakis is of R-Type. And I still think this was a cheap way to make money.
But at least the clones were so excellent in quality that Konami gave them ports to do, later Nintendo made Factor 5 a second-party, and Irem let them handle the official port of R-Type for the C64 because of Katakis´excellency.

As you know I do not like Treasure much. I think Gunstar Heroes was their only great game, with Alien Soldier pushing the hardware too far (it DOES flicker badly) and playing tedious, Light Crusader being an unatmospheric and audio-visually mediocre Landstalker clone and the gameplay-wise average Yu Yu Hakushu.

Treasure did visually good stuff, but I would never put them on the same level as Factor 5, wher always visuals, sound and gameplay went hand in hand; well, save for their latest game Lair.

[Disengage]

The Super Bowl is practically upon us, so we've decided to celebrate this great American sports tradition with a new Genre Spotlight article covering all the football games available on the Genesis. Wait...excuse me... (takes note handed from offscreen)... Sorry ladies and gentlemen. It seems our article is on the sport the rest of the world calls football, that which we Americans know as soccer. Not a problem! A great sport deserves all the same coverage, so we've rounded up all of them for you in a comprehensive piece. Read the full article and lace up those cleats!

Melf, have you tried the 360 version of Sensible Soccer?

[ary incorparated]

Give examples.



No, I didn't ignore the Amiga. I said Turrican franchise after all and Mega Turrican was the only MD Turrican game by Factor 5. Together with the ISSD port, which was worse than the SNES game, I wouldn't say they did among the very best.



Paris Hilton is much more famous, but that doesn't really make her any better. Toshiharu Yamanishi is less famous than both, but still better.

Paris hilton makes nothing better she,s a mix of a shark tale and a body,her nose is Huge and she is the most expensive parkingmeter alive.Yu Yu hakusho and turrican are the best soccer games among iss offourse.This fued is lol its almost like soccer only no ballz kicking,its more like zidane vs the cardsmen.Factor 5 ooooowns Treasure,i like turrican and i hate alien soldier.

[Zebbe]

Examples for WHAT? Mega Turrican was just looking great, with very good level-design, visual style, smooth framerate, nice effects and big bosses.

Okay, if you think so. I think Contra Hard Corps was far better in all apartments, except for maybe the colours.

ISS:
YOU and that article say the MD port was worse, my magazines say it is better. You should know that I of all people say when something on the MD sucks imo, but in this case the MD game is just an improvement.

What makes it better?

And Chris Hülsbeck´s music talent should be beyond doubt; sad if it´s not your taste, but Hülsbeck has deserved his cult status just as Uematsu and Koshiro. He is one of the best. Unlike Paris Hilton, he did not become famous because of media presence. He was just part of one of so many small teams in the homecomputer-scene, and he bacame famous because his music stood out.

Hülsbeck is great, yes, but compare Mega Turrican to Thunder Force III or IV, production-wise. While MT sounds like Gems and is far better on Amiga, TF series shows what the MD sound hardware can do with its synth solos and metal riffs.

As you know I do not like Treasure much. I think Gunstar Heroes was their only great game, with Alien Soldier pushing the hardware too far (it DOES flicker badly) and playing tedious, Light Crusader being an unatmospheric and audio-visually mediocre Landstalker clone and the gameplay-wise average Yu Yu Hakushu.

Treasure did visually good stuff, but I would never put them on the same level as Factor 5, wher always visuals, sound and gameplay went hand in hand; well, save for their latest game Lair.

I'll agree to disagree on this one.

Factor 5 ooooowns Treasure,i like turrican and i hate alien soldier.

Pfft. Alien Soldier is a masterpiece. You just don't get it.

[Mr Smith]

108 Stars Vs Zebbe - Round 2
In this epic duel, A Swedish android who has learned to love takes on the German Kaiser in an all out battle to the death. After their Round 1 RPG clash, which took place over many of Sega-16's threads, ended in a draw, we now move on to the colossal realm of arguing over soccer/football games. Who will deliver the knockout blow? Who else cares? Is the true winner of their fights Joe Redifer (who is a king among men)? And what does the "buddy list" actually do? All of these answers to be revealed as this titanic struggle unfolds.

[Zebbe]

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[jumbo11]

Fantastic article!!!!

ISS is the best.

I didn't know Genesis has so many footy games. I remember Kick-Off but never knew it was on Genesis.

Thanks for posting this.

[The Sports Guy]

the only soccer games that are really worth more than a five rating are the later FIFA series, especially the one with indoor soccer. I loved that, got it as a christmas present! Other than that, most of the games are pretty bad.

Zebbe and 108: you guys gotta realize whats worth arguing about and whats not. I also hope you guys arent seriously PO'd about that. I can think of at least 50 titles for MD that are better than turrican and TF IV. TF II is the only good TF. there, im stepping out of it.

[Zebbe]

Okay, tell me those 50 titles that are better than Thunder Force IV...

[The Sports Guy]

Okay, I sware i had 50 titles, listed, but i bumped a freakin bookmark and it loaded the page and erased the post. I will write them out before the end of the day. I just think that TF IV one of those games that is too hard for its own good.