xbox 360 question?

[Segs]

The Xbox 360 was a rushed system, the Xbox only had a lifespan of like less than 4 Years and Microsoft quickly jump to a new project in hope that they can claim the next generation of systems, Microsoft rushed in early so they could beat Sony and hope to get solid ground before all the other systems but in the meantime slipped on hardware they didn't really take their time with it and so people ended up with Red-Rings ect... I'd say if Microsoft were to release the system even a month/2 Months after the Initial release and at least tested the system/ had a proper look over it then we wouldn't have had the breakdowns and Microsoft still would have had that lead.

But as of now, the Wii is dominating due to its low price ( at the time ) and a new way to play games/ appeal to everyone. But even the Playstation 3 is slowly creeping up behind the Xbox 360 and it came out a Year after and is more expensive. Customers ( Who I deal with ) are 50/50 on buying Xbox 360's, theres some who will just buy it without knowing what can happen, and theres people sceptical on whether to buy it or not because its risky for them, this Red-ring fiasco has given Microsoft bad rep.

[MrMatthews]

Does anyone know a realistic percentage of 360's that fall to RROD?

[Joe Redifer]

Microsoft says 30 or 35% but I am betting it is closer to 75-80% in reality.

[TheEdge]

Microsoft says 30 or 35% but I am betting it is closer to 75-80% in reality.

Yikes.

Microsoft can absorb those losses but I don't know if Sony can considering the PS3 is doing just as bad.

[MrMatthews]

Yikes.

Microsoft can absorb those losses but I don't know if Sony can considering the PS3 is doing just as bad.

Dude, what have you done?

Now we're going to have to endure another long-winded, pompous monologue.

[TheEdge]

Dude, what have you done?

Now we're going to have to endure another long-winded, pompous monologue.

What did I do now?

[Joe Redifer]

Microsoft can absorb those losses but I don't know if Sony can considering the PS3 is doing just as bad.

The PS3 has excellent build quality and it is hard to find a user who has had their breaks down on them (aside from maybe a rare freeze). They are very well built.

[Metal_Sonic]

Too bad load times are shit and there is only a few worthile exclusives. My 360 has never RROD'd or none of my friends. The fail rate is <33% If you want a gaming machine get a 360, want something to be a media center go with a PS3. TheEdge meant Sony was taking a loss on the PS3 because they arent selling.

[MrMatthews]

I will concede that the PS3 is probably a far better piece of hardware, especially if you want to watch DVDs and that kind of thing on your . . . gaming console (I cut my disc-based gaming experience on the PS1 & GameCube - DVD capabilities don't impress me at all).

But as far as exclusives, I was more impressed with the XBox library, although for the most part both machines have the same games. I originally came for Doom & Halo, but I stayed for Gears of War, Bioshock (at the time) and the far superior online experience. The XBLA is fantastic.

[Joe Redifer]

I don't think XBL is superior. The only thing it really has is cross-game invites, which in my opinion would be pretty annoying. My PSN experience has been mostly flawless. The game libraries of both are unimpressive. I bought the PS3 mainly as a Blu-ray player. It is still the best Blu-ray player on the market. Blu-ray is friggin' awesome! But if there is a multi-platform title, I'll buy it for the PS3. I know my PS3 will work perfectly into the future. Plus the online experience is free. I am afraid to even turn my Xbox 360 on.

MrMatthews, if you cut your disc-based gaming experience at the PS1 and Gamecube, what the hell are you doing with a 360? You do know that the 360 uses discs... right?

[Metal_Sonic]

The new Xbox dashboard and features im afraid puts XBL over PSN IMO. I played on PSN and it just felt barren. No one was talking so it felt more like a bot match(Resistance and Motorstorm). Of course all my friends only have 360's so my opinion is biased since I had no one to play with.

[MrMatthews]

I don't think XBL is superior. The only thing it really has is cross-game invites, which in my opinion would be pretty annoying. My PSN experience has been mostly flawless. The game libraries of both are unimpressive.

But here's the thing, Joe: from what I've seen, your taste in games is rarely indicative of popular opinion. Maybe you aren't impressed with the XBLA library, but the simple fact is that the amount of games offered by the 360 for download absolutely decimates the selection on the PS Store, and many of these games are excellent (N+, Pac-Man CE, Castle Crashers, Braid, Ikaruga, Alien Hominid, Undertow, and Geometry Wars, just to name a few).

The PS Store is unimpressive, as you said, but the same cannot be said about the XBLA . . . IMO. I consider downloadable content part of the online experience, and that is where the 360 has the PS3 beat.

MrMatthews, if you cut your disc-based gaming experience at the PS1 and Gamecube, what the hell are you doing with a 360? You do know that the 360 uses discs... right?

Yeah, I fucked that up. What I was going for is "I cut my disc-based gaming teeth on consoles like the PS1 and the GameCube."

[Benjamin]

The PS Store is unimpressive, as you said, but the same cannot be said about the XBLA . . . IMO. I consider downloadable content part of the online experience, and that is where the 360 has the PS3 beat.

In addition, the great thing about Xbox Live is that I know that all Live games will continuously be supported, even as its on-line population dwindles. So far, consoles which have offered free on-line access for games have dropped support once the game is no longer popular. I'm not entirely assured that will be negated on PSN based on how things were handled with PS2 and other free on-line gaming consoles.

All in all, it comes down to what you want to play. The only PS3 games which mildly interest me are Fat Princess, LocoRoco, Jeopardy, and Spelunker HD, and those just aren't worth the investment in another system for me.

[Elusive]

In addition, the great thing about Xbox Live is that I know that all Live games will continuously be supported, even as its on-line population dwindles.

This, to me, is the 'you get what you pay for' argument. Because the XBL service uses Microsoft's gigantic 'Live' server farm - that also covers stuff like Live Hotmail, Messenger and all that - it means that the servers aren't likely to go away for a long, long time. A service run on dedicated servers - i.e. where the cost of the game in theory covers the multiplayer costs - is great for a more unique multiplayer flavour, as you don't need to meet the same conditions as every other company out there before you can connect to the approved network. But, on the other hand, there's the risk of this backfiring - for example, EA use dedicated servers for all their games, and they regularly shut down the multiplayer component of their older games once a refreshed version is released.

£40 for a year's service isn't all that bad, in retrospect, especially considering that, besides last Christmas' week-long on-and-off period, the service has been running non-stop since 2002.

[Joe Redifer]

But here's the thing, Joe: from what I've seen, your taste in games is rarely indicative of popular opinion."

That's because I'm not a mindless 'tard who always follows the crowd. Of course, PS3-hating is pretty popular right now, especially with the younger set. .

Keep in mind that online gaming, to me, is a low priority at best. It is fun once in awhile, but I'd never ever buy a game for the online experience alone. Regardless of if the servers are there or now, in the future the players won't be. So you may sign on to play a rousing game of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles XBLA with a random person, but good luck finding anyone to play with unless you and a friend plan before hand to meet online (which is what I usually do). To me, if the meat and potatoes (yum) aren't in the single player, then the game is a failure to me. That's why I don't own shit like Warhawk. That's why I only played the Resistance 2 beta for 30 seconds before coming bored and deleting it. Online gaming seems to me to be more for people who don't have friends close to them at the moment in real life that can come over and play. That's why I play online when I do... just for a quick, casual game with friends I know in real life.

At the end of the day, the PS3 as a whole has offered me more entertainment in my 11 months of ownership than my Xbox360 has in my 2+ years of ownership. And let's not even mention the Wii.