My 360 just Red ringed

[TheEdge]

It doesn't cater to just the FPS audience though. I can play World Series of Poker, Culdcept Saga, Little Big Planet, Madden 2009, NHL 2009, Burnout Paradise, Rockband 1 & 2, Fight Night Round 3, Sega Rally Revo and countless other games online, that aren't FPS.

World of Warcraft has 14 million users. I don't go about calling the PC nothing more than a MMO machine, just because the genre is popular with PC gamers.

It doesnt cater to FPS audiences? Have you seen most of the lineup for 2008-2009? Its all FPS.

Also they are attempting to be PC's because the new phantasy star online is coming out soon. They want a piece of the PC gamer market. Thats why their consoles behave just like a overpriced PC now. I didn't even mention each game costs around $60 for consoles....unless you dive into the bargain bin....and your complaining about expense? $400 console + $60 for each game?

The PC wasn't even the first home computer to have a modem and even back then it was used for billboards and such, not for online gaming. I guess X-Band doesn't mean much either.

And for the record, modems aren't even a part of broadband gaming.

I believe it but it must have been so rudimentary no one used it. PC on the other hand you plug in and go. Very simple.

This pretty much sums it up - You have no idea what is available on the current generation consoles. RE4 is a last gen game and you're listing games that are on both the PC and Console. Your sarcasm is pretty weak.

Go play Uncharted, Valkyria Chronicles, Left for Dead, Fable II, Grid, Little Big Planet or MotorStorm: Pacific Rift and maybe you'll realize console gaming isn't all about FPS, MMO and online. I turned away from the old Xbox, because it had all of those PC FPS games, but once the library started catering to a broader audience, I was hooked.

Like I told Matthews, I am not going to search for all forms of Console to PC ports. Read above. I can't waste time. The argument is over. PC's get more bang for your buck hands down. I just spoke to my friend who is a tech freak and he said that a PC is a better route to go. Why spend money on something less versatile than a PC? I can't repeat it any louder. Also Left for Dead is on PC

My PC sits in my office, with a 32" HDTV 10 feet away. My surround sound setup sits in the livingroom about 50 feet away from my office. All I have to do to hook up my PS3 or 360 in the living room is: unplug the power cord, move it to the livingroom and attach the existing HDMI cable. Does your friend live in his parent's basement?

I've installed networks in multi-million dollar homes and I've found on more than a couple of occasions, that the owner would use a PS3 as part of his multimedia center, because of it's blue-tooth technology, blu-ray and of coarse games. [sarcasm]Stupid Millionaires![/sarcasm]

Thanks for telling me the dimensions of you home. So your saying that its impossible to just move your PC to the other side of the room? Once you set it down it locks into place forever? When you sell your house you have to sell your PC with it. Absurd. Like I said, Warcraft III looks sweet on a plasma screen with the speakers thundering. Also I should test out how Half-Life 2 looks.

No, but can you take a computer from 2002, use the same motherboard, power supply and memory to update your CPU, memory and GPU to the same level as a 360 or PS3? No effin way!

Needless to say, but you're spending even more cash to do so.

Where are we getting these dates from? 2002? I just got rid of my old computer to by the new one I am using right now. I choose to spend it on a new PC instead of the current gen' consoles because I felt that it would be a waste of cash to buy these present consoles. I believe that the cost, almost limitless options, and longevity of the PC proves my point beyond a shadow of a doubt. Gamevet, ask anyone if they believe they can do more things on a computer than on a console. And you will get your answer.

What!?

You don't pay for any online services with the PS3. Since you're not playing online with consoles, how do you even know how good the online games and services are?

Really? You seemed to omit XBOX360 and Wii's online service. Do you have to pay for games on them? And how much on top of you regular online plan do you have to pay? Sounds like a money pit to me.



PC is the winner. You can't deny it.

[MrMatthews]

It doesnt cater to FPS audiences? Have you seen most of the lineup for 2008-2009? Its all FPS.

Um . . . have you seen the 2009 lineup? It is most certainly not mostly FPS. Just because it falls under the "shooter" category doesn't mean it's first-person. Besides, third-person games are en vogue right now (Assassins Creed, Godfather, Resident Evil, Bionic Commando, Just Caus, Batman, Ghostbusters, etc.)

Also they are attempting to be PC's because the new phantasy star online is coming out soon. They want a piece of the PC gamer market. Thats why their consoles behave just like a overpriced PC now

Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what Microsoft and Sony had in mind when they were developing these consoles 3-5 years ago. And the theater up the street from my house was put in 10 years ago because they knew Revenge of the Sith was coming out.

Are console developers chasing the PC? Of course they are. In terms of graphics, PCs have been one or two steps ahead of what consoles have been able to do. Trying to narrow the margin isn't some dirty little secret, like you're making it out to be.

Besides, with more and more action games being ported over to PCs (not to mention the controllers to play them), it looks like the door swings both ways.

I didn't even mention each game costs around $60 for consoles....unless you dive into the bargain bin....and your complaining about expense? $400 console + $60 for each game?

. . . and? First of all, I doubt very seriously that every console owner buys ALL of his/her games brand-new. And second, this is not a terribly recent development. How much did NES, SNES, and Genesis games cost back in the day?

Like I told Matthews, I am not going to search for all forms of Console to PC ports. Read above. I can't waste time. The argument is over. PC's get more bang for your buck hands down. I just spoke to my friend who is a tech freak and he said that a PC is a better route to go. Why spend money on something less versatile than a PC? I can't repeat it any louder. Also Left for Dead is on PC

I knew I should have elaborated on my point for you. Your argument was ridiculous because Gamevet originally stated that very few games are actually ported to the PC from the consoles, and that most of the games you can get for the consoles are unique to that arena. Then you listed a few games that were ported to the PC and seemed to think you won the argument. You really only proved his point.

Really? You seemed to omit XBOX360 and Wii's online service. Do you have to pay for games on them? And how much on top of you regular online plan do you have to pay? Sounds like a money pit to me.

It costs no more to connect your console online than it does to connect your PC. Microsoft charges you to play your games online, while Sony and Nintendo do not. You don't have to pay anything else on top of your regular plan.

PC is the winner. You can't deny it.

Christ, let it go.

The PC can do more stuff, so it is the winner in that regard.

The consoles are dedicated game systems, so they have a more diverse library of games that much more reliably take advantage of the hardware. (example: every review I've read stated that the PC RE4 port, while playable, was ultimately inferior to the original console version).

^ That was the original point of the debate you had to get yourself in, and there's really no denying it.

[TheEdge]

RE:4 PC version

Do you see a difference?

Try to keep your eyes open while watching this so you can see that there is completely no difference and you have no chance to deny it like many of the facts I post on this forum.

His (Gamevets) argument is fundamentally flawed. PC games have a great reputation and have always been on the cutting edge of preformance ,graphics,and replay value. His comment that my copy of Dead Space (PC) running better on consoles than on PC is proof of his folly.

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Dead Space PC version

[gamevet]

His (Gamevets) argument is fundamentally flawed. PC games have a great reputation and have always been on the cutting edge of preformance ,graphics,and replay value. His comment that my copy of Dead Space (PC) running better on consoles than on PC is proof of his folly.

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I never said that. Where did I say that Dead Space ran better on the consoles?

Here's a list of the upcoming games for 360 (don't know if they are multiplatform), that are listed for winter/spring 2009 on Target's website. There are 6 FPS games I didn't put on this list, but the rest are legit titles with very little to do with the genre.

http://www.target.com/b/ref=in_se_pa...1&fromBrowse=1

Borderlands = Action RPG
Blades = Hack n' Slash
Two World: The Temptation = RPG much like Oblivion
Samurai Warriors 2 = Hack N' Slash
Resident Evil 5 = 3rd Person adventure/shooter
This is Vegas = GTA clone
Damnation = GTA combined with games like Red Dead Revolver and Gun
Brave: A warrior's Tale = Star Fox adventures combined with Kameo?
Prototype = action adventure game with a little bit of Force Unleashed style gameplay.
Wheelman = Driver and GTA rolled into one.
Racepro
Afro Samurai
Heroes over Europe = Flight combat
Dark Void= Capcom game, but I have no idea what it is.
Skate 2 = just released last week.





Oh, and if I wanted to build a PC that was around (Still debateable though) the same specs as a 360, this is what I came up with.

Core 2 duo CPU and motherboard = $235

2gig Corsair DDR2 800 memory=$25

Cheap 8400GS 256MB PCI Express x16 (HDCP ready)$40

This setup doesn't even include the addition of a wireless controller, power supply and maybe a new version of Windows Vista (DX10), because you are doing it legit right? No illegal software for you.

If I was someone deciding between a 360 and a PC, for gaming, I could pay $199 for the base model and another $40 from MS to buy a 20gig drive. This PC would cost me around $300, without a wireless controller, or operating system. If I was to connect it to a monitor that exceeds an HD television, the cost would increase by another $250. Could you imagine what this setup would have costed me 1.5 years ago, or even a top of the line computer in 2006?

The price becomes even more, once I start upgrading the Video cards and memory. By the time the next generation of consoles come around, you would probably have spent about half, or more, of what it will probably cost for a PS4 or Xbox 720, and you'd have dated hardware. If you really look at the numbers, the PC is no more cost effective than a console. I've been through the PC cycle enough, with 3 video cards alone on my old computer, to say that it's not worth it.

Yeah, and asking a tech guy on his opinion about PC vs. console, is like asking a painter what he thinks of wall paper.

[Mamba Tabac]

PC games have a great reputation and have always been on the cutting edge of preformance ,graphics,and replay value.

Do performance and graphics not depend on your particular computer?

[TheEdge]

Do performance and graphics not depend on your particular computer?

This is assuming that you have up to date hardware.