Top five reasons why you dislike a particular console.

[nissling]

I think I know where he was coming from enough to back him up.

Super Mario World - Great game
Super Mario Kart - Good game
TMNT iV: Turtles in Time - One of the BEST games EVER!
Actraiser - Not played
Legend of the Mystical Ninja - Not played
Super Metroid - It's an OK game
Zelda: Link to the Past - The worst Zelda-game, not that bad after all
Mega Man X - I agree, Mega Man X SUCKS
Super Ghouls N Ghosts - Not played
Castlevania IV - Good game
Dracula X - Not played
Yoshi's Island - Almost as good as Super Mario World

^ They all sucked

As I sad before, Snes is an OK console, even if Sega Genesis is way, way better.

[TheEdge]

*sigh*

I listed those two game, Edge, because they are the perfect example in seeing the slight difference in PS1 and DC visuals, but the significant boost in resolution. But since you don't understand the logic going into an argument, I guess I'm going to have to list DC exclusive games that look like higher-res PS1 games (even though said PS1 games don't exist). See how you try to make people jump through hoops? Luckily, I've always been a fan of jumping through hoops!

Cannon Spike
Carrier
Charge 'N Blast
Dynamite Cop
Incoming
Kao the Kangaroo
Magforce Racing
Ooga Booga
Outrigger
Seaman
Toy Commader
Unreal Tournament
Urban Chaos
Zombie Revenge

lol, First you use PS1 ports to downplay the Dreamcasts graphic capability. Then you say that Dreamcast wasn't even apart of the 128-bit Generation of consoles when it is clearly the first arrival of them. Finally, you give a list of games that would have never ever ran successfully on the PS1 hardware in a million years and to top it all off most of the games you listed were aging Arcade ports. Do some research on the ones in bold.

I still can't believe your a writer for the Sega-16 site. You must be related to them somehow or give heavy donations.

[jesus.arnold]

I hate to say it, but I disagree with the argument that late DC games looked better than early PS2 games. No FPS on DC looked better than Timesplitters, and no sports game looked better than Madden 2001. And those were both launch titles. I've always seen that argument as a way for DC fans to justify holding off on a PS2 purchase.

LOL, the first Timesplitters game looked like a complete turd, it ran at a pretty impressive frame rate but then when you take into account that is had a ridiculously low polygon count and low quality textures and resolution that was hardly an impressive thing, Quake 3 completely puts it to shame it every respect except frame rate in 4 player mode, and even then Q3 frame rate still never gets too bad anyway.




Timesplitters 2 on the other hand looked great and still ran at a fantastic speed.

[jesus.arnold]

lol, First you use PS1 ports to downplay the Dreamcasts graphic capability. Then you say that Dreamcast wasn't even apart of the 128-bit Generation of consoles when it is clearly the first arrival of them. Finally, you give a list of games that would have never ever ran successfully on the PS1 hardware in a million years and to top it all off most of the games you listed were aging Arcade ports. Do some research on the ones in bold.

I still can't believe your a writer for the Sega-16 site. You must be related to them somehow or give heavy donations.

I'm pretty sure Outtrigger was an arcade port too.

[TheEdge]

I'm pretty sure Outtrigger was an arcade port too.

I didn't know that. Thats cool. Thanks for letting me know <-----(Take notes Matthews and InternalPrimate)


Also Kao the Kangaroo, Ooga Booga, and Seaman aren't supposed to be graphically amazing.

Space channel 5 was never meant to be a cinamatic extravaganza. Have you ever played it? Its a brightly colored cartoony dance game, its not a god of war.

[InternalPrimate]

lol, First you use PS1 ports to downplay the Dreamcasts graphic capability. Then you say that Dreamcast wasn't even apart of the 128-bit Generation of consoles when it is clearly the first arrival of them. Finally, you give a list of games that would have never ever ran successfully on the PS1 hardware in a million years and to top it all off most of the games you listed were aging Arcade ports. Do some research on the ones in bold.

I still can't believe your a writer for the Sega-16 site. You must be related to them somehow or give heavy donations.

I'm not trying to "downplay the DC graphic" capability Edge. I like the system. I like it just about as much as I like other inanimate objects. It isn't a person Edge, I'm not kicking your grandpa.

And I never said that it wasn't a part of the "128-bit" generation (you should do some research as well, seeing as "bits" stopped being relevant after the N64). I just said it paled in comparison to the PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox. Which... it... did.

I also said nothing about those games being able to run on a PS1. The talk was purely graphical. And those games looked like higher-res PS1 games. I didn't say they could be done or looked like PS1 games, I said they looked merely like higher-res PS1 graphics.

You're actively trying to change the argument so you can win. This is like the 30th time you've done this while in an argument with me. It's getting really old man.

You call someone ignorant or incorrect.
Post "facts".
Ignore the other person trying to clear up his point.
Selectively choose a sentence to respond to.
Distort said sentence.
Allow the other guy to wrestle with your illogical argument.
Change the argument, change the other persons words, hurl insults.

Grow up buddy.

[TheEdge]

lol, did you really just quote that guy with the creepy asian fetish? Also I think Jesus.Arnolds posts have been mopping the floor with your logic anyway. I don't even need to waste my energy.

Why are you lumping those consoles together? The PS2 and the Dreamcast were virtually the same in power, the Dreamcast's graphics workload was spread between the main processor and the Power VR chip whereas the PS2 had one more powerful cpu that had to do everything, this made them relatively comparable.

The Xbox and Gamecube completely blow both the PS2 and Dreamcast away on power.

The reason why there ended up being better looking PS2 games is due to the fact that programming experience with the console grew to a very high level over a period of years, years which the Dreamcast didn't have to see it's full potential.

2nd year PS2 games look comparable to the last Dreamcast games in graphics.

This post should of answered your statement before. But I better not continue. I don't want to be told to "Grow up" again or have another quote from the kid with the Asian lady fetish be thrown at me.

Also I find it strange you have only been responding to me and not Jesus.Arnold

Hmmmm?

[jesus.arnold]

According to Mobygames Magforce Racing and Urban Chaos were in fact both PS1 ports also.

[TheEdge]

I guess I'm going to have to list DC exclusive games that look like higher-res PS1 games

According to Mobygames Magforce Racing and Urban Chaos were in fact both PS1 ports also.

[InternalPrimate]

Also I find it strange you have only been responding to me and not Jesus.Arnold

Hmmmm?

Funny how when going over any of Edge's posts, there's almost always an edit, with added material. Could it be that he didn't want me to originally see this question, to make it look like I was too scared to answer? You have a funny way of arguing Edge.

I'm responding to you, because my argument was with you. Not Jesus.Arnold. I also happen to like Jesus.Arnold a lot more than you, and he's welcome to think that Quake 3 mopped the floor with Timesplitters. I don't, but hey, thats what opinions are for. You try to pass all of your opinions off as fact, and as I've said a few times before, it's getting old.

As for Magforce racing and Urban Chaos, I researched those games through gamefaqs, and I didn't see PS1 releases.

The point about the visuals remains though. Nothing changes about my original argument. You've even failed to recognize the fact that I stated, in like my second post of this argument, that not all DC games look like high-res PS1 games. You ignore everything that could end this stupid argument.

You ignore these points, because you simply dislike me, Rusty, MrMatthews and others on this board. You take every chance to hurl insults at us. So yes, you need to grow up. I love this site, and 99.9% of the people on it. Yet you have to come and stir shit up whenever you feel like it. Everyone was having an enjoyable time discussing the faults of multiple consoles. Kogen and MrMatthews looked like they had even gotten past their differences until you showed up.

Face it man, you're the problem here. Grow up. Treat people with more respect. Stop trying to get the worst out of people.

[TheEdge]

Funny how when going over any of Edge's posts, there's almost always an edit, with added material. Could it be that he didn't want me to originally see this question, to make it look like I was too scared to answer? You have a funny way of arguing Edge.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

Bottom line is that whatever statement you and matthews were trying to make is blatantly wrong.

Just re-read jesus.arnolds and Kogens posts.

[InternalPrimate]

Nobody was trying to make a point!!!!!

MrMatthews just expressed an opinion that the DC's graphics were underwhelming! That's it!!! You caused it to explode into so much more - into this flame war. This is exactly why people don't like message boards. You're confirming the stereotypes rather than allowing this to be friendly community of Genesis fans!

[jesus.arnold]

As for Magforce racing and Urban Chaos, I researched those games through gamefaqs, and I didn't see PS1 releases.

There's a picture of Urban Chaos' PS1 cover and everything on Mobygames along with review scores from PSM, where Magforce Racing is concerned it seems to go by two different names, the other being "Killer Loop" which is probably why you had trouble finding info on it.

[TheEdge]

Nobody was trying to make a point!!!!!

MrMatthews just expressed an opinion that the DC's graphics were underwhelming! That's it!!! You caused it to explode into so much more - into this flame war. This is exactly why people don't like message boards. You're confirming the stereotypes rather than allowing this to be friendly community of Genesis fans!

1. Calm down. Take a breather

2 . I think you should re-read the thread again from beginning to end. Your mistaken about how this came about and your statements about the DC however balanced you made them are incorrect.

[Chilly Willy]

lol, First you use PS1 ports to downplay the Dreamcasts graphic capability. Then you say that Dreamcast wasn't even apart of the 128-bit Generation of consoles when it is clearly the first arrival of them.

Good freakin' Lord!! There ARE NO 128-bit consoles! Never have been!!

The N64 was a 64-bit MIPS.
The Dreamcast was a 64-bit SH4.
The PS2 is a 64-bit MIPS.
The PS3 is a 64-bit PPC.
The XBox 360 is a 64-bit PPC.

The GameCube and Wii are both 32-bit PPCs.

Don't fall for any bullshit marketing (not that I remember anyone trying to claim their console was 128-bit in ads in any case).