This depresses me, Nintendo has fallen (even farther)

[MrMatthews]

Very few systems completely suck. But few would argue the 3DO is say better than the N64.

I still find it funny that both Sega and Nintendo tanked in the late 90's. The Saturn and N64 came no where near the sales of the Genesis and SNES.


'Course nothing will ever beat Genesis or SNES.

People have to admit SNES is GREAT (not as great as the Genesis, but great nonetheless)

Ninja Gaiden Trilogy
Slew of awesome Castlevania games
Mega Man games
Super Metroid
Contra III
Act Raiser

There are some DAMN fine games for the SNES. I'd still take the Genesis simply for the fact that I've never owned a SNES and have no attachment to it. I might own one one day if the prices on the damn games ever go down, the SNES is worse to collect for than the Saturn. But it needs to be acknowledged.

Genesis Does...but SNES still deserves a nod.

That was an inspiring speech, man!

*wipes away tear

(the Ninja Gaiden trilogy was on the NES, unless there's a compilation for the SNES I don't know about... But that's neither here or there).

I find it rather interesting that even though I always wanted an SNES back in the day and some of my favorite games were released on the system, I also have no affinity for the console myself.

The average price of SNES cartridges around here is about $6. Not nearly enough to break the bank, but prohibitive enough that i'm much more frugal about impulse purchases than I am for the Genesis. Factor in the fact that complete Genesis games are rather easy to come by, and the Genny is simply a much better system to collect for.

[jesus.arnold]

I wouldn't take anything Gamepro rates, as serious. The magazine has been the joke of gaming publications for well over a decade. If EGM liked it, I'm not surprised. They've been known to inflate scores a little, to keep the advertisers happy.

I do trust Gamecritics though, and this review nails what is so wrong with Castlevania 64. And I'm sure they hated Bounty Hunter as well.

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrank...193171&popup=1

Like I said I have a very limited knowledge of US gaming sites and magazines I've never heard of Gamecritics in my life and frankly from the review you just posted i'm probably never going to return, whilst reading it all I seem to here is "whine whine whine 3D games scare and confuse me I miss the good old days of 2D gaming" seriously if the guy thinks the jumps are extremely difficult then quite simply he is sh#t at video games, maybe he is specifically sh#t at 3D video games which is causing his longing for a time when you didn't need to be good with camera's and perspective.

Nonsense. I personally own 61 Gamecube games, and only a few of them are developed by Nintendo.

If you have 61 Gamecube games you have a lot of crap, I own 30 odd and I own some crap, that number will decrease again soon too as I intend to be getting rid of Geist as soon as I can be bothered to go into town as quite honestly the game has absolutely zero redeeming features.

I strongly disagree. If anything, Xbox does, but PS2 doesn't

The Xbox was pretty close to being as bad as the Gamecube, in fact I'm not really sure which was worse out of the two, at least the Gamecube had a bunch of nice multiplayer exclusives

I don't believe I actually criticized your list of games, but since you brought it up, Rakuga Kids fucking sucked.

Rakuga kids was alright, I think realistically for the time it deserved around 75% as opposed to Street Fighter Alpha 2, Marvel Vs Streetfighter and KOF96 on Saturn which I personally would immediately rate over 92% (probably closer to 94% for Marvel Vs) I mean Rakuga Kids is basically a slowed down clone of Street Fighter 2 gameplay wise with a really nice style and humour permeating it, it's not very impressive knowing that the best traditional 2D fighter on the N64 was a 75% at best game but it's certainly better than nothing (and for non-traditional 2D fighters Smash Bros was amazingly good)

And Geist is great, btw

No it really, really, really isn't

You can't seriously be recommending the Dreamcast version of Skies of Arcadia over Legends

I'm not really very up to spec with a lot of the TV stuff you guys seem to know about (RGB is pretty much good enough for me in the most part, or VGA with the Dreamcast) but does the Gamecube support VGA (or better?) like the US DC Skies of Arcadia?

Super Monkey Ball Deluxe over the originals. That is just ludicrous.

Why not? maybe i'm missing something but I did some research before buying it and from what I remember reading Deluxe has everything from Monkey Ball 1 and 2 as well as loads of extra levels.

On Gamestats, Mission Impossible for N64 has a Press Score of 7.3, whereas the Playstation version is 5.5.

I wouldn't put very much stock in that sites averages tbh, that particular score is based on 2? different scores both from "Nintendojo" and one #ahem score from Gamepro going a little bit too far with a 5/5?!?!!?

IGN and Gamespot both gave it around 6, and so did most of my "biased" N64 mags

What about the games we mentioned above? Majora's Mask, Donkey Kong 64, Perfect Dark? I stand by my comment that those games would not have received the level of praise they did had they been on any other system.

There gets to a stage in many arguments where you suddenly realise there's no way you are ever going to see eye to eye, you just literally listed 3 of my favourite games for the whole of that generation of consoles on any systems, in fact funnily enough me and my friend were actually playing N64 Perfect Dark co-operative on mission mode yesterday, and it's been 8 years since I first bought it.

[Tanegashima]

That was an inspiring speech, man!

*wipes away tear

(the Ninja Gaiden trilogy was on the NES, unless there's a compilation for the SNES I don't know about... But that's neither here or there).

I find it rather interesting that even though I always wanted an SNES back in the day and some of my favorite games were released on the system, I also have no affinity for the console myself.

The average price of SNES cartridges around here is about $6. Not nearly enough to break the bank, but prohibitive enough that i'm much more frugal about impulse purchases than I am for the Genesis. Factor in the fact that complete Genesis games are rather easy to come by, and the Genny is simply a much better system to collect for.

There is indeed a 16 bit Ninja Gaiden Trilogy for the SNES and it goes for astronomical prices...like 80-100 bucks.

Dracula X is also astronomical!

[MrMatthews]

There is indeed a 16 bit Ninja Gaiden Trilogy for the SNES and it goes for astronomical prices...like 80-100 bucks.

Dracula X is also astronomical!

Good to know! (about the Ninja Gaiden Allstars)

I hate those games with ridiculous prices. Usually they're games that spontaneously occur to me ("Wasn't there a Gargoyle's Quest on the SNES? I want that!").

Few games are worth $60 to me, let alone the $100 that some of these bastards go for.

[Tanegashima]

Soon SNES will be as bad as the Neo Geo to collect for, I just know it.

[16-bit]

Soon SNES will be as bad as the Neo Geo to collect for, I just know it.

And it's all because of people willing to pay ridiculous prices for games like Super Mario Allstars that aren't even that rare, hopefully sites chasethechuckwagon.com will bring the prices of these games down. I think if CTCW becomes big enough on the internet they might just be able to, I just bought a bunch of Master System games off of that site that would have cost me over 50 bucks had I went and bought them on Ebay.

[Tanegashima]

I mean I completely understand the prices of Neo Geo games, high demand, extremely rare all around.

SNES makes NO damn sense whatsoever. Period.

[MrMatthews]

. . . you mean you wouldn't pay a premium for the privilege of playing Bubsy or Aero on your SNES rather than your Genesis? Retailers wouldn't price them that way if it weren't worth it, would they?

[Tanegashima]

Oh, but if I could!

[gamevet]

Like I said I have a very limited knowledge of US gaming sites and magazines I've never heard of Gamecritics in my life and frankly from the review you just posted i'm probably never going to return, whilst reading it all I seem to here is "whine whine whine 3D games scare and confuse me I miss the good old days of 2D gaming" seriously if the guy thinks the jumps are extremely difficult then quite simply he is sh#t at video games, maybe he is specifically sh#t at 3D video games which is causing his longing for a time when you didn't need to be good with camera's and perspective.

I'm a forums member there, and I've actually played a couple of rounds (On LIVE) of Culdcept Saga with GC Brad. I trust their reviews, because they are true blue gaming fans. You don't have any corporate advertising bullshit coating their reviews, so what you read comes with 100% of that persons real thoughts on the games. EGM's Shu tried to stand up for the magazine's review integrety and he ended up resigning because of it. You'll find that the smaller review sites will generally give you a less sugar-coated review, because there's no hidden agenda behind them. I don't believe any site or magazine backed by large corporate $$$ can be 100%, wether they'd like to or not.

The GC review accurately hits what is so wrong with Castlevania 64.

There was a lot of 3-D games with bad camera position and most could have been remedied with a moveable camera like Mario 64. Then you had the highly praised Resident Evil and Tomb Raider, that had the worst player controls ever seen in a 3-D game, yet people called it fun. I'll never play another Tomb Raider game again, unless it's made by Naughty Dog; they nailed it on the first try with Uncharted.

I've tried on countless occasions to find the will to finish a Resident Evil game, but the tank like controls just sucked all the fun out of a great gaming idea. Thank someone at Capcom for finally figuring it out with Resident Evil 4. I'll defineatly get in line for RE5, because the challenge of that game won't be because of a shitty control system.

The Xbox was pretty close to being as bad as the Gamecube, in fact I'm not really sure which was worse out of the two, at least the Gamecube had a bunch of nice multiplayer exclusives.

And Xbox LIVE isn't multiplayer?

I'm not really very up to spec with a lot of the TV stuff you guys seem to know about (RGB is pretty much good enough for me in the most part, or VGA with the Dreamcast) but does the Gamecube support VGA (or better?) like the US DC Skies of Arcadia?

The Dreamcast's VGA is 640 x 480; It doesn't look any better than 480p. If you really wanted to play the GC in VGA, there are component to VGA adaptors out there, but why would you?

[j_factor]

If you have 61 Gamecube games you have a lot of crap, I own 30 odd and I own some crap, that number will decrease again soon too as I intend to be getting rid of Geist as soon as I can be bothered to go into town as quite honestly the game has absolutely zero redeeming features.

I don't consider any of my Gamecube games to be crap. I did have one crap game, but I got rid of it. Geist is fun, I don't know what you're on about.

The Xbox was pretty close to being as bad as the Gamecube, in fact I'm not really sure which was worse out of the two, at least the Gamecube had a bunch of nice multiplayer exclusives

Alright, it's official, you're crazy. You think N64 was a great system and you don't like Gamecube or Xbox? What the hell?

Rakuga kids was alright, I think realistically for the time it deserved around 75% as opposed to Street Fighter Alpha 2, Marvel Vs Streetfighter and KOF96 on Saturn which I personally would immediately rate over 92% (probably closer to 94% for Marvel Vs) I mean Rakuga Kids is basically a slowed down clone of Street Fighter 2 gameplay wise with a really nice style and humour permeating it, it's not very impressive knowing that the best traditional 2D fighter on the N64 was a 75% at best game but it's certainly better than nothing (and for non-traditional 2D fighters Smash Bros was amazingly good)

I do agree about the style, but the gameplay was worse than mediocre IMO. I'd give the game a 5/10 at best, and consider it generous.

I'm not really very up to spec with a lot of the TV stuff you guys seem to know about (RGB is pretty much good enough for me in the most part, or VGA with the Dreamcast) but does the Gamecube support VGA (or better?) like the US DC Skies of Arcadia?

The Gamecube and Dreamcast both support 480p, so yes. The Gamecube version also has significant gameplay differences, so it's not exactly the same game, but it is better.

Why not? maybe i'm missing something but I did some research before buying it and from what I remember reading Deluxe has everything from Monkey Ball 1 and 2 as well as loads of extra levels.

The controls in Deluxe are god-awful. I can't fathom how anyone can suffer through the entire game. Also, the PS2 version is kind of harsh on the eyes.

There gets to a stage in many arguments where you suddenly realise there's no way you are ever going to see eye to eye, you just literally listed 3 of my favourite games for the whole of that generation of consoles on any systems, in fact funnily enough me and my friend were actually playing N64 Perfect Dark co-operative on mission mode yesterday, and it's been 8 years since I first bought it.

Perfect Dark isn't a horrible game by any means, but it is far from the perfection that so many overly glowing reviewers gave it. A game with framerate problems and significant gameplay flaws isn't a 97% game, and it would never have gotten reviews like that had it been on Playstation or Dreamcast. Majora's Mask was a case of an interesting idea with a so-so execution; there was too much repetition involved and the gameplay got very tedious. If it hadn't been on N64 and didn't have the word Zelda in the title, it most certainly wouldn't have received the same critical response. And if Donkey Kong 64 was seriously one of your favorites, I don't even know what to say. That game was an absolute chore.

[jesus.arnold]

There was a lot of 3-D games with bad camera position and most could have been remedied with a moveable camera like Mario 64. Then you had the highly praised Resident Evil and Tomb Raider, that had the worst player controls ever seen in a 3-D game, yet people called it fun. I'll never play another Tomb Raider game again, unless it's made by Naughty Dog; they nailed it on the first try with Uncharted.

The thing with Tomb Raider though is that it was one of the very earliest working 3D platformers, most games that followed from it actually ripped it off in one way or another whilst improving on it so I don't really have a problem with it's high reviews, it was amazing when it first came out but was then superceded by other games.

Where it comes to Resident Evil I'd say I have to agree, I think it was always a pretty overrated game, it's pretty much a clone of Alone in the Dark, people go on about the tension and the jumpy sections where things suddeny jump out at you from nowhere but really that happened in exactly the same way in Alone in the Dark too.

And Xbox LIVE isn't multiplayer?

Dunno, when I think original Xbox online I think generic FPS and racing games, which I could play on just about everything, I'll admit I'm probably wrong here anyway though. When I think of Gamecube multiplayer I think Smash Bros, Four Swords, Crystal Chronicles, Wario Ware, Mario Party (when you've played one you've played them all but can still be a good time waster) Billy Hatcher, Pikmin 2, Mario Kart, Star Fox Assault (I actually really enjoy the 4 player mode on teams) and as well as that you get all said FPS and Racing game multiplayer stuff. With the Dreamcast I think Powerstone 2, Chu Chu Rocket, Ooga Booga, Cannon Spike.

The Dreamcast's VGA is 640 x 480; It doesn't look any better than 480p. If you really wanted to play the GC in VGA, there are component to VGA adaptors out there, but why would you?

Ok thanks for the info

The Gamecube and Dreamcast both support 480p, so yes. The Gamecube version also has significant gameplay differences, so it's not exactly the same game, but it is better.

Except in the audio department as it had to be compressed to fit on the GC disc and the VMU features as I mentioned earlier.

Perfect Dark isn't a horrible game by any means, but it is far from the perfection that so many overly glowing reviewers gave it. A game with framerate problems and significant gameplay flaws isn't a 97% game, and it would never have gotten reviews like that had it been on Playstation or Dreamcast. Majora's Mask was a case of an interesting idea with a so-so execution; there was too much repetition involved and the gameplay got very tedious. If it hadn't been on N64 and didn't have the word Zelda in the title, it most certainly wouldn't have received the same critical response. And if Donkey Kong 64 was seriously one of your favorites, I don't even know what to say. That game was an absolute chore.

Oh I see, yeah I agree with you on Perfect Dark to an extent, places like IGN gave it 9.8 which I really don't agree on, I would give it more around 9.4 I think. Where the other two games are concerned I don't really agree with you at all, especially about Majora's Mask, if any game on the 64' was consistantly overrated then it was most definately Ocarina of Time, some places actually gave it 10/10

Also just to add in an edit I just noticed the section about what Perfect Dark would have scored on PS1, realistically I can't actually think of even 1 PS1 first person shooter that even stood up to Goldeneye at all, and I always liked Perfect Dark slightly more, N64 fps games always felt like they were in a whole other generation to PS1 ones to me.

[MrMatthews]

Also just to add in an edit I just noticed the section about what Perfect Dark would have scored on PS1, realistically I can't actually think of even 1 PS1 first person shooter that even stood up to Goldeneye at all, and I always liked Perfect Dark slightly more, N64 fps games always felt like they were in a whole other generation to PS1 ones to me.

I don't really see how Goldeneye could be "overrated." Perfect Dark, yes. But Goldeneye actually changed the way developers created FPS games, and its influence continues to this day.

BTW, what was the buzz about this game when it was originally released? I remember playing it when it was brand-new, but it wasn't a game that I even saw coming.

[jesus.arnold]

I don't really see how Goldeneye could be "overrated." Perfect Dark, yes. But Goldeneye actually changed the way developers created FPS games, and its influence continues to this day.

BTW, what was the buzz about this game when it was originally released? I remember playing it when it was brand-new, but it wasn't a game that I even saw coming.

I think you misread my comment I never said Goldeneye was overrated

[MrMatthews]

I think you misread my comment I never said Goldeneye was overrated

. . . No, but I was agreeing with you.