This depresses me, Nintendo has fallen (even farther)

[gamevet]

You should at least emulate the SNES and try out a few of the games. You'd find that the system really has more than it's given credit for, much like how the Genesis is often stereotyped as a sports/shooter console.

[jesus.arnold]

Well, you got me there. I bought a GameCube shortly after it came out, and that was the only console of the generation that I played for years. But what if I picked up a Dreamcast and a PS2 later, and only in retrospect realized that there were a whole lot more games on the GameCube that I like over either of those consoles . . . isn't that the same thing as if I played all three of them at the same time?

Don't assume that just because you consider the GameCube interferior to the PS2 and DC that I would, too.

As soon as I began collecting Dreamcast games I could pretty plainly see that I had been gyped by Nintendo with the Gamecube, after spending much of my gaming life hovering between Nintendo and Sega I'd decided that Sega's day was done and turned my back on them, I actually waited years to buy a Gamecube, paid substantially more money to buy it at a time when you could pick up Dreamcast games for next to nothing and then proceeded to think "well, it's alright I guess" then afterwards I began collecting DC games and my Dreamcast collection rapidly grew to dwarf the GC's, I realised that quite simply most Dreamcast games were better, more original and innovative, deeper and generally more beatifully crafted than 90% of what the Gamecube had, not only that but when looking at the game libraries I realised that the DC's library is around half the size of the GC's when the Gamecube was out for four times the amount of time.

Also, unfortunately you'd have to be in serious denial if you think the Gamecube even has the slightest chance of standing up to the PS2, I hate the PS2 for it's crappy hardware, Sony's constant lying, hype and advertising, but even I can't deny that it's library crushes everything else, the damn thing had a virtual monopoly of the entire 7th generation for gods sake! after years of playing it I'm still nowhere near experiencing all the best games.

One final question: if you are so quick to dismiss games that add little more to a series than a "fresh coat of paint," then why are you defending Rare?

Rare's games, although obviously taking a certain level of inspiration from Nintendo's during the N64 era very much have their own style and feel, Nintendo's characters I'm afraid to say are usually very one-dimentional, I guess you could call them archetypal style heroes that don't really have a personality of their own, a criticism I would certainly not use against Rare, who's games are usually full of humour and character, there were also a lot of new interesting ideas in Banjo Kazooie for instance the autumn/winter/summer/spring level.

[jesus.arnold]

RC Pro-Am controls nothing like RNR and the only thing that is close between the two titles is the oil-slicks and rockets.

Rock N' Roll Racing is more like Racing Destruction Set on the C-64.

Hahaha Rock N' Roll racing is the most obvious carbon copy ripoff of RC Pro Am I have ever seen whereas it only shows the slightest of resemblances to Destruction set (ie they're both isometric) to me, personally, I think Rare probably got the inspiration for RC Pro Am from Destruction Set, using the general isometric view racing idea (though tbh it was a very different look for RC Pro Am) and the vehicle upgrades, then seeing what Rare had done with the game to make it extremely popular the RDS creators just wholesale ripped them off for RPM and Rock N' Roll Racing (which was probably fair enough, I guess they thought, hey these guys took some of our idea and became popular, that gives us the right to completely copy their game)

[gamevet]

Hahaha Rock N' Roll racing is the most obvious carbon copy ripoff of RC Pro Am I have ever seen whereas it only shows the slightest of resemblances to Destruction set (ie they're both isometric) to me, personally, I think Rare probably got the inspiration for RC Pro Am from Destruction Set, using the general isometric view racing idea (though tbh it was a very different look for RC Pro Am) and the vehicle upgrades, then seeing what Rare had done with the game to make it extremely popular the RDS creators just wholesale ripped them off for RPM and Rock N' Roll Racing (which was probably fair enough, I guess they thought, hey these guys took some of our idea and became popular, that gives us the right to completely copy their game)

No way. Go play Racing Destruction Set and then play RC Pro Am. RC Pro Am has flat tracks and goofy quick response turning. The only part that resembles RDS is the upgrades on the track and the ability to lay hazards on your enemy.

Rock N' Roll Racing and RDS both share: jumps, gravity effects, car upgrades, road hazards, laying hazards on your opponent and an isometric view.

[jesus.arnold]

No way. Go play Racing Destruction Set and then play RC Pro Am. RC Pro Am has flat tracks and goofy quick response turning. The only part that resembles RDS is the upgrades on the track and the ability to lay hazards on your enemy.

Rock N' Roll Racing and RDS both share: jumps, gravity effects, car upgrades, road hazards, laying hazards on your opponent and an isometric view.

Yeah and Rock N' Roll racing also shares most of those things with RC Pro Am, as well as carbon copy gameplay, weapons, and a much more similar isometric view, RC Pro Am 2 had jumps in it as well.

[gamevet]

Yeah and Rock N' Roll racing also shares most of those things with RC Pro Am, as well as carbon copy gameplay, weapons, and a much more similar isometric view, RC Pro Am 2 had jumps in it as well.

What makes you think that?

All of those things were part of RDS, that came out before either title. There was not one jump in the original RC Pro Am and the jumps in RC Pro AM 2 were just that, jumps. In RNR Racing, the jumps were part of the racing strategy and they also played a key part in RDS.






http://www.ohgizmo.com/2008/10/01/th...ction-set-c64/

It was a racing game that used an isometric view instead of the standard first-person in-car view, which made it feel more like playing R.C. Pro-Am than Test Drive. But you had your choice of driving a VW Beetle, a stock car, a dirt bike, a Porsche and even a lunar rover on a selection of 50 different tracks. And whether you played against a computer or a friend, the game always used the top and bottom split-view (seen above) which had a ridiculously wide aspect ratio, but it never seemed to be a problem.

[j_factor]

Only on Sega-16 can discussion of a new Nintendo patent devolve into an argument about the finer points of Rock N' Roll Racing versus Racing Destruction Set and RC Pro Am.

[sega fan]

You should at least emulate the SNES and try out a few of the games. You'd find that the system really has more than it's given credit for, much like how the Genesis is often stereotyped as a sports/shooter console.

I do infact own the nintendo home consoles, and I play the Nes (clone because I can't find one, broken or otherwise.) and n64 atleast once a week. Gamecube probably gets attention annually, The Snes just gets hooked up when I get the itch for Pilotwings and Mario World. I feel sort of negative towards it because it gets the least of my attention, out of my entire collection all my systems

Atari 2600
N64
Sega Genesis CDX
Xbox 360
Gameboy (original)
Gameboy advance
Nes (Clone because I can't find one broken or otherwise)
Ps1
Ps1 (light, complete with 5 in. LCD)
Ps2
Gamecube
Commodore 128
Master system (I only own MS games and am looking for the system)

all these systems are all conviently placed in their own respective plastic, airtight tupperware (for dustcovers and otherwise). Unfortunatly, My SNES just sits in my dresser, it's there if i want to quickly hook it up, but I haven't had that need since last summer. I only have 4 cartridges for it and thats because every one here in my town at thrift stores sees the word "Nintendo" and assumes "Nintendo = $25" for every cart, even Mario World. Also, at my play and trade I hit up every other weekend, all the genesis/PS1/NES/N64 stock keeps changing and prices fluctuate, but since last summer it's been the same 7 or so SNES games sitting on the retro table and they're all in shit-kicked condition, torn and faded labels, and shitted up contacts for about 8 bucks a piece. I guess you are right, next weekend I'll go bargain binning and flea marketing for a few SNES titles. See if I'll change. If i can atleast find one SNES game I'll try it.

[gamevet]

It doesn't hurt to at least play an emulator, to decide the good from the bad.

The first emulator I ever tried was for the GBA. I'd liked Golden Sun so much, I went out and bought a GBA SP and a few games.

[sega fan]

It doesn't hurt to at least play an emulator, to decide the good from the bad.

The first emulator I ever tried was for the GBA. I'd liked Golden Sun so much, I went out and bought a GBA SP and a few games.

Cool, I have emulators but they're doing the same thing my actual SNES is doing right now.

[TheEdge]

I'm not a really big Nintendo fan. I had a NES like everyone else and it was a great system but thats it after that. I never had a gameboy, SNES, N64, or gamecube because I never saw anything that really caught my eye. I was thinking real hard about buying a gamecube for RE-Remake and RE4 but then I said to myself - why should I buy a console for 2 games?

[jesus.arnold]

Cool, I have emulators but they're doing the same thing my actual SNES is doing right now.

If you're more interested in actioney type games (the sort of genre the Mega Drive does extremely well) on the SNES that are maybe not as massively famous, but still very good then you should check out Cybernator, Demon's Crest, Hagane, Skyblazer, Super Turrican, Plok (quite difficult) Pop N' Twinbee: Rainbow Adventures, those are some of my favourite ones on SNES.

[MrMatthews]

If you're more interested in actioney type games (the sort of genre the Mega Drive does extremely well) on the SNES that are maybe not as massively famous, but still very good then you should check out Cybernator, Demon's Crest, Hagane, Skyblazer, Super Turrican, Plok (quite difficult) Pop N' Twinbee: Rainbow Adventures, those are some of my favourite ones on SNES.

Man, i'd love to get my hands on a physical copy of Demon's Crest, as I loved Gargoyle's Quest on the Gameboy.

And Plok was one of the games that made me wish I had a SNES back in the day. It surprises me that it's difficult: it looks like such a happy, kid-friendly game.

[jesus.arnold]

Man, i'd love to get my hands on a physical copy of Demon's Crest, as I loved Gargoyle's Quest on the Gameboy.

Yeah, I don't see myself being able to get thay game for a long time, especially seeing as i'm pretty sure it was never released in the UK (along with half the other SNES classics) so I'm going to have to import it.

I hate to bring up the argument again, but I just noticed in one of my magazine's that Eternal Darkness, one of my favourite Gamecube games was actually a delayed N64 game, and that, coupled with Star Fox Adventures being another delayed N64 game adds to the "Gamecube spent it's entire life piggybacking off the N64" fund

[MrMatthews]

Yeah, I don't see myself being able to get thay game for a long time, especially seeing as i'm pretty sure it was never released in the UK (along with half the other SNES classics) so I'm going to have to import it.

I hate to bring up the argument again, but I just noticed in one of my magazine's that Eternal Darkness, one of my favourite Gamecube games was actually a delayed N64 game, and that, coupled with Star Fox Adventures being another delayed N64 game adds to the "Gamecube spent it's entire life piggybacking off the N64" fund

Well, if that's how you want to interpret it, whatever. I know you know how the video game industry works, so you also know that there will always be incidents of this whenever there is a generational shift between consoles, regardless of the manufacturer. I'm sure you could find games to support this argument against any console.