This depresses me, Nintendo has fallen (even farther)

[16-bit]

One game that none of you guys mentioned on the Cube that was absolutely brilliant (at least I thought so) was Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem.

Any of you play that? I've said it many times before, but it's one of the best games I have ever played.

[MrMatthews]

I'm quite surprised that nobody is mentioning Eternal Darkness, as far as i'm concerned that and Metroid Prime were the defining titles.

Woah . . .

[jesus.arnold]

I would say that the GCN had pretty good third-party support, especially coming out of the N64 crater.

GCN had Capcom. 'Nuff said.

The N64 had Konami and Treasure making exclusives for it, let alone the massive output from Rare, the Gamecube was terrible for 3rd parties, it just got everybody else's dregs and some Capcom games that were ported a coupla' months later.

[gamevet]

The N64 had Konami and Treasure making exclusives for it, let alone the massive output from Rare, the Gamecube was terrible for 3rd parties, it just got everybody else's dregs and some Capcom games that were ported a coupla' months later.

There's nothing wrong with getting a few DC imports brought over.

I'm glad I was able to play Ikaruaga, without the insane import prices and having Culdcept and REZ brought over to the PS2 wasn't getting any snub from me.

[MrMatthews]

The N64 had Konami and Treasure making exclusives for it, let alone the massive output from Rare, the Gamecube was terrible for 3rd parties, it just got everybody else's dregs and some Capcom games that were ported a coupla' months later.

You're going to have to help me out here, because the only notable N64 titles that I can think of from Konami are a couple of Castlevania games and perhaps some entries into the Mystical Ninja series?

And what else did Treasure do for the N64 other than Sin & Punishment (which, remember, wasn't even released in the US)?

And I consider Rare to be more second party than third.

[16-bit]

And what else did Treasure do for the N64 other than Sin & Punishment (which, remember, wasn't even released in the US)?

They made Mischeif Makers aswell, personally I think it's an alright game, nothing Guardian Heroes or Sin Punishment though.

[jesus.arnold]

You're going to have to help me out here, because the only notable N64 titles that I can think of from Konami are a couple of Castlevania games and perhaps some entries into the Mystical Ninja series?

And what else did Treasure do for the N64 other than Sin & Punishment (which, remember, wasn't even released in the US)?

And I consider Rare to be more second party than third.

1. What good Capcom games were exclusive to the Gamecube? I can only think of one (there is probably more) which was PN03 and though I think the game's alright i'd hardly call it something to right home about.

Konami made

Castlevania - a disapointment after the 2D ones granted but still a really good game
Mystical Ninja - brilliant and funny 3D adventure game
Goemon's Great Adventure A cool little multiplayer 2D platformer
Rakuga Kids - Childish graphics but a pretty nice 2D fighting game by all accounts (and yes I know it doesn't compare to the Street Fighter Alpha/Marvel VS games the Saturn was getting but still enjoyable.
Hybrid Heaven - pretty good, it's got a very in depth battle system and is pretty nice game, I'd rate this as being a much better game than PN03

Treasure made

Mischief Makers - This is Treasure at their best, it literally has better 2D boss battles out of any platformer I can think of, every boss battle reminds me of the epicness of the 2nd level boss from Gunstar Heroes
Sin and Punishment - I love rail shooters and S&P along with Rez is definately one of my favourites, great over the top story, action, set pieces, control, love it
Bangai-OThought I'd add this in as well, though it was eventually ported to te Dreamcast, the games pretty good, I like it.

[MrMatthews]

1. What good Capcom games were exclusive to the Gamecube? I can only think of one (there is probably more) which was PN03 and though I think the game's alright i'd hardly call it something to right home about.

As far as exclusivity, you probably have me nailed there. But I will play the Resident Evil card.

The Resident Evil Remake is awesome - superior in every way to the original IMO

Resident Evil Zero was . . . um . . . really, really not too bad.

Resident Evil 4 was exclusive to the GameCube for about a year. Then the PS2 got the GC's "dregs."

Then of course the "across the board" games like Viewtiful Joe, Killer7 and the Mega Man Compilations. The GameCube had much better support from Capcom than the N64 . . . though not nearly as much as the PS2.

Arguing *good* exclusives on any Nintendo system is going to be tough, as first-party titles are going to dominate. But list off the top titles for either system (regardless of exclusivity) and the GameCube has a much more varied selection of games. The N64 has "Nintendo" games and "Rare" games and only a few third-party games.

[jesus.arnold]

As far as exclusivity, you probably have me nailed there. But I will play the Resident Evil card.

The Resident Evil Remake is awesome - superior in every way to the original IMO

Resident Evil Zero was . . . um . . . really, really not too bad.

Resident Evil 4 was exclusive to the GameCube for about a year. Then the PS2 got the GC's "dregs."

Then of course the "across the board" games like Viewtiful Joe, Killer7 and the Mega Man Compilations. The GameCube had much better support from Capcom than the N64 . . . though not nearly as much as the PS2.

Arguing *good* exclusives on any Nintendo system is going to be tough, as first-party titles are going to dominate. But list off the top titles for either system (regardless of exclusivity) and the GameCube has a much more varied selection of games. The N64 has "Nintendo" games and "Rare" games and only a few third-party games.

You caught me at a good time here as I'm actually just putting the finishing touches to my "top 100 N64 games" for my website, I'd say most of the N64's library was made up with Nintendo, Rare, Acclaim, Midway and Ubisoft games, with a nice handfull of games made by Konami, Rockstar North and Treasure, that seems like an alright amount of good companies to me, and something that has to be said in comparison to the Gamecube is that most of those companies were making their N64 games exclusive or the primary platform of development, multiformat games had a massive gulf in quality a lot of the time between the N64 and PS1 (Shadowman anyone?) whereas the differnce between GC and PS2 multi-formats was usually pretty negligible.

[MrMatthews]

You caught me at a good time here as I'm actually just putting the finishing touches to my "top 100 N64 games" for my website, I'd say most of the N64's library was made up with Nintendo, Rare, Acclaim, Midway and Ubisoft games, with a nice handfull of games made by Konami, Rockstar North and Treasure, that seems like an alright amount of good companies to me, and something that has to be said in comparison to the Gamecube is that most of those companies were making their N64 games exclusive or the primary platform of development, multiformat games had a massive gulf in quality a lot of the time between the N64 and PS1 (Shadowman anyone?) whereas the differnce between GC and PS2 multi-formats was usually pretty negligible.

(really like your top 100 lists BTW)

I'm prepared to concede to your argument, as I can't debate any of the points you made. There was a greater variety of exclusive third-party games for the N64, while the majority of the third-party GameCube games also appeared on the PS2 and XBox.

[j_factor]

You guys are crazy, the Gamecube had much better third-party support than N64. Exclusives aren't the only thing that matters; it's also important to have multiplatform games. A system without a strong lineup of multiplatform games is a system whose competition has a ridiculous number of exclusives. Gamecube did much, much better in this regard. But as for exclusives, don't forget about Namco, and also, there's this little company you might have heard of called Sega, who didn't release anything for N64 but put out some good stuff on Gamecube.

[MrMatthews]

LOL

This thread is getting ridiculous...

I only said that I saw jesus.arnold's point. I didn't agree that a handful exclusive third party games made the N64 the better system. I'll still side with the console that has Prince of Persia, Timesplitters, Beyond Good & Evil, etc.

[jesus.arnold]

You guys are crazy, the Gamecube had much better third-party support than N64. Exclusives aren't the only thing that matters; it's also important to have multiplatform games. A system without a strong lineup of multiplatform games is a system whose competition has a ridiculous number of exclusives.

The PS2 already had a ridiculous amount of exclusives and having most of the 3rd party Gamecube games on it as well (and earlier in most cases, Capcom excluded) really doesn't help the Gamecube's cause at all, buying the PS2 gave you access to virtually every single 3rd party title available on Gamecube and many, many exclusives, this thread actually started an argument between me and my friend 10 minutes ago and after all was said and done at the end of it he'd actually struggled to think of more than 5 exclusive 3rd party games, which had actually quite shocked him as he really thought there was more.

But as for exclusives, don't forget about Namco.

What about Namco? three Donkey Konga games? Starfox Assault?! Mario Superstar Baseball?!?!

I'm only joking with you really they did actually make two pretty good exclusives with Baiten Kaitos and Tales of Symphonia, also the freebie Pacman Vs was pretty cool in multiplayer

there's this little company you might have heard of called Sega, who didn't release anything for N64 but put out some good stuff on Gamecube.

Yeah a little company called Sega who released...er one exclusive? Billy Hatcher (though it was on PC I think) was actually pretty alright as I said before I like the game, other than that they made a hoard of horribly rushed, glitchy Dreamcast ports which, thankfully since buying the DC I have since replaced.

I would not call any of the games just mentioned Killer Apps in fact virtually all of them recieved mixed of below average reviews.

really like your top 100 lists BTW.

Thanks dude, it means a lot to know people actually look at my site at all, I actually spend most of my time wondering whether anyone reads anything I write and whether there's really any point in bothering

as for the discussion/argument we were having I'd like to say that I have "ignore me I can't help it" underneath my username for a reason, I constantly end up in these sorts of arguments with people and end up going to far and I honestly can't help it

I'll still side with the console that has Prince of Persia, Timesplitters, Beyond Good & Evil, etc.

You're siding with the PS2?.......

[TheEdge]

Did they pull the plug on the Gamecube pretty quickly into its life?

[gamevet]

Yeah a little company called Sega who released...er one exclusive? Billy Hatcher (though it was on PC I think) was actually pretty alright as I said before I like the game, other than that they made a hoard of horribly rushed, glitchy Dreamcast ports which, thankfully since buying the DC I have since replaced.

That's not true at all. You're forgetting Beach Spikers, Phantasy Star III: C.A.R.D. Evolution, Virtua Striker 2002, PSO 1&2 Plus, and Sega developed F-Zero GX.

Namco offered the exclusive Tales of Symphonia and Square-Enix brought Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles.

Here's a few more exclusives:

Cubivore
Baten Kaitos
Resident Evil 0
Lost Kingdoms 1 & 2
Summoner
Space Raiders
Rally Championship
Chibi Robo