Throwing Money Down the Drain!

[TheEdge]

You guys have by far the weakest counter argument ....

[MrMatthews]

I don't think there's any argument at all here - it's just an endless round-about of one preference over another. I could care less about how much time it actually takes to burn these CD's. I don't want to have to try to find the ROMs to begin with, nor the software to run them. Fuck all that - I'll just spend the $8 to download Super Punch-out! from the VC when Nintendo releases it next week.

You guys and your ROMs keep at it. It obviously works for you and I'm happy for you. But it is a preference, and no one's stupid or ignorant for not choosing it.

[Knuckle Duster]

What counter argument?

You're saying that homebrew enabled piracy on discontinued or modded hardware is greater and more convenient than DLC on modern systems aimed to profit from casual gamers who don't care about games much anyway.

Do you not see the flaw in your logic?

Are you for real or being sarcastic? I really can't tell. You talk like a 'scene-kiddie-fucktard' who just discovered how to use bit torrent and now considers himself a 'hacker'. I thought those types only existed in PSP forums these days, touting their battery swapping skills while fapping to monster hunter.

I'm not going to say it's wrong, since that would be a 'pot and kettle' argument , but I will say it's a 'stupid' comparison that's been already discussed.

[TheEdge]

OMG, All I am saying is that people shouldn't waste there money if they can just download NESTERDC or any other Rom collection and just burn it and play it on the DC. No mod necessary.

You don't need to track down any roms, THEY are already built into the file.

Look!

ROM linking = no no. Melf

800 + games

Works great.

Its just funny that you can fool people into purchasing anything if they don't know any better.

[MrMatthews]

Knuckle Duster, don't be so quick to dismiss VC patrons as "casual gamers who don't play video games that much.". Some of us are avid gamers.

[stalepie]

Why do people pay money for old school games on their PS3 / XBOX360 / Wii?

This is so silly to me. Yesterday when I got home from work I went over to my Dreamcast popped in my NesterDC disc and played MegaMan2 for hours.

How much did it cost for every single NES, SMS, Genesis, TurboGrafx, SNES game ever created?

$14.99

Why did it cost $14.99? Cause thats how much it cost to buy the 100-Stack of CD-Rs I used to burn all these games with.

Also at Dreamcast-Talk.com some guy has been uploading NEOGEO-CD games that run perfectly on the DC.

So I emplore you all, Stop throwing money down the drain. Get a stack of writeable CD's and start burning.

You should support the industry and stop stealing. It's like books. Old books are still reprinted, old movies are still reprinted as well. It is not legal or ethical to download them without paying.

[TheEdge]

You should support the industry and stop stealing. It's like books. Old books are still reprinted, old movies are still reprinted as well. It is not legal or ethical to download them without paying.

Dude, these games haven't been in print for over a decade. I highly doubt Nintendo still makes SNES / NES carts and sells them at the nearest Gamestop

[Knuckle Duster]

Knuckle Duster, don't be so quick to dismiss VC patrons as "casual gamers who don't play video games that much.". Some of us are avid gamers.

Agreed, as it stands with Nintendo's casual marketing, aside from a few titles, the VC is whats keeping the avid gamers alive on the Wii.

Regardless though, one can't argue that it's more "convenient to the masses to find and burn a bootleg iso for a dead console." rather than "park one's ass on the couch in front of a wii or 360, see a nostalgic game that cost's 10 bucks, and reach for ones credit card in their wallet."

It boils off to be a different issue, between piracy, literacy towards technology, and willingness to give a fuck either way. I personally don't.
I just think TheEdge here is pushing off a bad vibe for himself. I'm sure I'm not alone in seeing that link as further justification to the absurdity of the argument.

I'd rather piracy not be 'above the underground' so to speak, and it's become so mainstream and flooded with fools and noobs, that to talk about it openly (let alone argue for it) is almost a hate crime worthy offense to me...and I AM a pirate when I want to be.

[celticsfan]

Dude, these games haven't been in print for over a decade. I highly doubt Nintendo still makes SNES / NES carts and sells them at the nearest Gamestop

No but those little game shops that rely on our nostalgia to stay in business, especially in this crappy economy, could sure use some extra dough, especially from those of us who have the old systems alive and kicking.

It goes back to my record player argument. Sure you can download if you have the time, but I like my gaming experience to be authentic, carts and all.

[Metal_Sonic]

A clusterfuck? in Sega-16 forums?

EDIT: On topic, I like the Wii VC. Get the expensive rare games for a great price and a good controller to play with(IMO). Emulators and ROMS dont feel the same as playing it on my TV and the DC has a piece of shit controller(IMO) so using the Wii VC just makes sense to me.

[Alvatron]

Good topic, TheEdge, I always try Genny games on an emulator, then if I want to buy them I go on Ebay or what ever. Thats what's good about emulation, you can try before you buy.

[Knuckle Duster]

Good topic, TheEdge, I always try Genny games on an emulator, then if I want to buy them I go on Ebay or what ever. Thats what's good about emulation, you can try before you buy.

Did you actually read his first post?

He's not saying "Try emulation before you buy a cart on ebay."

He's basically saying "Pirate and emulate games that are old on a dreamcast, they should be free, buying them legitimately on newer systems is foolish compared to piracy, Please don't buy them."

Then later defends his logic by posting a link to a prebuilt ISO of the emulation software & roms, while also mentioning Dreamsnes, an emulator that can't even handle normal speeds for SNES roms.

This is far from a "Good topic." It's disgustingly ignorant.

[TheEdge]

No but those little game shops that rely on our nostalgia to stay in business, especially in this crappy economy, could sure use some extra dough, especially from those of us who have the old systems alive and kicking.

It goes back to my record player argument. Sure you can download if you have the time, but I like my gaming experience to be authentic, carts and all.

Let me break out the smallest violin in the world. These freakin game shops don't even pay their employees a living wage + benefits. Screw em. Also its not JUST nostalgia that keeps these businesses going its all the NEW games that they are filled with. I highly doubt that these games shop have been depending on our generation alone for the last 20 years for profits.

Who do you think plays all those crappy Sonic games that just came out? Retro gamers? I think not.

PSSSSH!

[kool kitty89]

I'm kind of in the middle here, I like the ability to emulate games and don't find it particularly difficult to find the game files or good emulators (Fusion, ZSNES, SNES 9X etc, not to mention DOSBox). Many of the emulators are very close to the original hardware (if not better in some areas, inless you have a modded console or RGB through SCART or a VGA adaptor) and offer the option to elliminate some bugs. (flicker etc) Most of the small ROM files (off carts, in the 6 MB or less range)
It's also convienent to play for game that I do own. (pluss the added bug fixes and options like the YM2413 FM synth for the SMS)

And pretty much everyone is going to own a computer. (if you're posting here you almost certainly do) And there are a fair number of Emu's for Mac as well as the odd console. For playing games up through the early 5th gen you don't need a particularly powerful computer either.

That said, I don't have anything newere than 32x on emulation, and, in fact I first started emulating a couple years back just so I could get Star Fox 2. (which I would snap up if they offered on VC, though given the apparent issues with Argonaut releasing even the original Star Fox, this seems unlikely) While not all is true abandonware, some is, and none if far off.

There are other cases where emulation is the only practical option, if a game is simply out of production and becomes quite rare or desireable, it may be difficult to find and very expensive (Panorama Cotton), not to mention if you don't have the ability to play games out of region. Then, of course, unreleased games (as I mentiond with Star Fox 2).

Of course you could also play legitimate copies of most CD based games on emulators as well. And in the case of old PC games (ie DOSBox use) that's pretty much all I do, though there are some games that are particularly hard to find and/or expensive, or only available on 5 1/4" floppy. (though most of these have become true abandonware)

In the case of the rare expensive games, having them on VC makes a lot of sense, I'm not going to buy Earthbound for 70+ (with ship) dollars for the loose cart, but I'd probably buy it for ~$5 for VC.



On VC speciffically, you could technically (not condoning this) pirate that as well (WiiWare too) as it can be backed up on an SD card. Thus you could download the file (assuming someone has pirated it and made it available) to an SD card and plug it straight into your Wii. (you'd need an interface for SD to USB or symilar, of course)

[jerry coeurl]

I'm not really a huge patron of VC, I guess you could say I subscribe to TheEdge's point of view. But I've definitely used it a few times to snag something that I've wanted for a while, and it's useful for that. Generally speaking, I don't really like emulation (the exception being PSX emulation on my PSP), and although I have burned plenty of Dreamcast ISOs in my day I just really prefer to play the actual cart/cd. So I don't emulate much at all anymore, I guess it just feels too digital for me.