the great war

[zetastrike]

They should come up an AVGN type guy who's a sega fan. As much as I like the nerd, he's a blatant 80's nintendo fanboy. I'd like to hear that stuff from a sega perspective. He does make some valid points about sega in the Wii Salute video. The Master System doesn't suck balls, though. That was a pretty ignorant comment.

[17daysolderthannes]

They should come up an AVGN type guy who's a sega fan. As much as I like the nerd, he's a blatant 80's nintendo fanboy. I'd like to hear that stuff from a sega perspective. He does make some valid points about sega in the Wii Salute video. The Master System doesn't suck balls, though. That was a pretty ignorant comment.

that will never happen, Sega fans aren't angry nerds. Oh wait...

At any rate, it would end up being too technical about the optimization of code or something since somehow all Sega fans are programming gurus and all Nintendo fans are ignorant consumers. These are facts.

[Knuckle Duster]

They should come up an AVGN type guy who's a sega fan. As much as I like the nerd, he's a blatant 80's nintendo fanboy. I'd like to hear that stuff from a sega perspective. He does make some valid points about sega in the Wii Salute video. The Master System doesn't suck balls, though. That was a pretty ignorant comment.

I think I'm in the minority when I view all the "youtube generation critic's" as a waste of time. I don't feel the need to watch some self-centered ego-inflated dick head tell me why Game-X sucks, or why Game-Y is awesome. I don't think it's comedic either.

That's what's wrong with gamers these days, everyone lets anyone with a soapbox and an opinion, hold more water on the issue than personal experience.

If you weren't there kids, you weren't there. Don't waste your time listening to us older bastards spew nostalgia, go do something better, like mow some lawns, earn some money, and buy some kick ass new games like Madworld or drop some coin on a box of old carts and play them for yourself. Live it up.

[Rusty Venture]

I'm all for a "15 years later we review a game"...but in a magazine dedicated to retro games...not on Youtube.

I really have nothing against AVGN..as long as he is reviewing games that are known to be shitastic. But to treat his reviews as anything more than entertainment is just silly.

[17daysolderthannes]

I'm all for a "15 years later we review a game"...but in a magazine dedicated to retro games...not on Youtube.

I really have nothing against AVGN..as long as he is reviewing games that are known to be shitastic. But to treat his reviews as anything more than entertainment is just silly.

The problem is that people are trying to coattail AVGN's success and make a name for themselves but they lack the editing, writing, acting, and lighting skills and persistence to pull it off. So, what you get is a half assed review from someone that barely played the game and offers nearly no insight at all. I will at least give AVGN credit for playing through most of the game and he usually does have very valid points of where the developers totally had their head up their ass (the jumps in TMNT for example). I mean, its just common knowledge that older games (especially the NES era) had lots of really confusing, unfair, or retarded points in the game that really didn't need to be there, but the developers just said "hey, I got an idea!" and it ended up in the game. The only thing that bugs me about the current AVGN is that he still sometimes gets his facts wrong. It wouldn't bother me so much in most situations, but with SO MANY PEOPLE watching his videos, I hate for him to say wrong things and then have the internet tell me I'M wrong because he fucked up. Like recently he reviewed his NES collection and said stuff like "the Tengen games were unlicensed and came in black and sometimes gray carts." True, the black ones WERE unlicensed, but the gray ones were licensed. That's really important in NES history to know that Tengen was once a licensed developer. Tengen's split marked one of the first times an unlicensed 3rd party company had a successful run. Its a minor discrepancy, but still enough for some jackass to sit and argue with me because he got his education from the angry video game nerd.

[Knuckle Duster]

The so called "war" was started publicly when Sega fired the first shot with it's aggressive marketing campaign.

None of the playground warriors of that era could grasp the concept of Nintendo's monopoly tactics at the time, all they knew was that Nintendo was cool for 3 years, and Sega Fanatics felt aggressive and alien, especially with their need to criticize and sometimes beat the shit out of Nintendorks who wielded blind obedience.

How many Mud-Pies were force fed to either side? Who knows, nobody counted those casualties. In the grand scheme of things, Sega ended up liberating game developers during the "war", but like some "veterans", they went crazy from shell shock and fell off the face of the earth later in life.

/sarcasm

[Rusty Venture]

The problem is that people are trying to coattail AVGN's success and make a name for themselves but they lack the editing, writing, acting, and lighting skills and persistence to pull it off.

If someone has to browse YouTube to get reivews of games...then all that can be said is:

[17daysolderthannes]

If someone has to browse YouTube to get reivews of games...then all that can be said is:

they aren't looking for reviews, in fact, its almost impossible to find a completely straightforward and unbiased review of ANYTHING besides new releases. No, the AVGN and his many clones are trying to carve a comedy niche with a nostalgic appeal, in this case video games. I'm sure people were doing it with movies long before anyone started doing it to video games. Look at Mystery Science Theater 3000, its like the AVGN of movies (only much, MUCH better). I only wish Crow and Tom Servo would grace us with a video game review. When the AVGN gets it right, his "reviews" can be hysterical as you sit along side him (metaphorically) going "holy shit, that is messed up." The copycats try to emulate all the swearing and what not, but lack the timing and actual material to make it worth watching. To be totally honest, I don't think the AVGN is even that great at what he does. He may have been the first to hit it big, but I've seen others that had much funnier punchlines and commentaries with far less random poop jokes. If you ever get bored, check out SpoonyOne on youtube, he reviews retro games and usually has some great stuff to say about it without any toilet humor or obnoxious Nickelodeon style crap. If Spoony and the AVGN would team up with Spoony writing and the AVGN directing and editing, I think the overall quality would be amazing.

[Metal_Sonic]

they aren't looking for reviews, in fact, its almost impossible to find a completely straightforward and unbiased review of ANYTHING besides new releases.

Did....did you just say reviews of new games are unbiased and straight forward? I...I gotta sit down.

[johnnyb]

*frisbees in a pillow from out of shot.....

[kool kitty89]

Like recently he reviewed his NES collection and said stuff like "the Tengen games were unlicensed and came in black and sometimes gray carts." True, the black ones WERE unlicensed, but the gray ones were licensed. That's really important in NES history to know that Tengen was once a licensed developer. Tengen's split marked one of the first times an unlicensed 3rd party company had a successful run. Its a minor discrepancy, but still enough for some jackass to sit and argue with me because he got his education from the angry video game nerd.

Yeah, I caught that, and the fact they are licenced is pretty obvious by the clearly displayed seal of approval. He also didn't mention that the later Camerica Carts were silver instead of Gold. (though he may not have any of those yet)

But consider that the AVGN is just a character James Rolfe created (originally just as a gag for his freinds included as a bonus on the VHS collection of his movies he made in 2004)> Of course he decided to make more after being spurred by the response he got after releasing the vids to the internet in '06.

He may be a Nintendo fan (I wouldn't say "fanboy") and that's certainly what he grew up with, and he's certainly become a collector, but he's foremost a horror/monster movie fan and cinematographer. Just look at his site: http://www.cinemassacre.com/

On that note, he's certainly not a tech nerd as is obvious in his summary of the Jaguar. (mainly how he thought the Jaguar's 64 bits came from processors being "added up to 64 bits")

BTW he doen't even post his new AVGN videos on youtube anymore, just the trailers. (they're on gametrailers and get posted on youtube after a year)




On this actual topic though, I was really too young to get into the 16-bit war, except maybe the tail end of it, but I never did anyway. We didn't get an SNES until after the 5th gen was well under way. (before that it was PC and NES) I did experience the 5th gen war, mostly with the N64 vs Playstation. (I knew about the saturn, I'd seen it up close and seen some games on it, but none of my friends had one, though none of the friends I'vd visit had PSX's at the time either)

Toward of the 4th gen I can only remember one friend who had a Genesis (though he was the only freind I that remembervisiting at his house). Though he also had an NES 2 and a SNES, and was the first person I knew to have the N64.

From the 5th gen though, I only seem to rember a few arguments about the N64 and PSX. (I seem to recall hearing most of this arround ~1998-2000) But somewhat oddly it always seemed to be an argument about which was "better" or more powerful, not really bringing the games into the picture. (of course, technically the N64 smoked the PSX hardware easily, save for areas where only the data capacity of the CD made possible)