Stale Bread

[Metal_Sonic]

Okay, so we all know all First/Third person shooters are stale and getting moldier every time another is released. I am tired of killing Nazis and going to space and/or future to kill some invading Alien race. When a game like Modern Warfare comes out, its feel like a breath of fresh air. I do understand that even this premise is gonna imitated and sequeled to staleness to but the point of this thread is:

What is your major gripe with shooters today and if you had you're way, what shooter what you would make? Personally I want to see a Vietnam based shooter since this has been barely explored. I'm also pitching my own game, tell me what you think:

Civil War:BLOOD LUST!

SHOT TWO ROUNDS IN JUST OVER TWO MINUTES!

WALK IN LINE RIGHT INTO A CANNON!!!

BE A MEDIC AND SAW YOUR OWN FUCKING LEG OFF!! WITHOUT PAINKILLERS!

ASSAULT A FORT AND BE CANNON FODDER!!

pretty great right?

[RowdyRodimus]

WWII shooters wouldn't be so bad if they gave you the option of being a Nazi. Maybe do a shooter in the Harry Turtledove vein of an alternate world.

I do like the Civil War idea though. It would be better than the one they released about a year ago.

[Phantar]

The WWII shooter genre has been done to the death... honestly, I'm getting sick of seeing another of those games released (except for the new Wolfenstein game, but I see it less than a WWII shooter and more of a mystery/fantasy kind of thing. It seems more fresh that way).

The problem with a Civil war based shooter is that you wouldn't be able to stand out as an individual as such. World War I was an era where individual war heroes began to stand out (can't really tell if this was the case for the civil war era).

I once played a Half Life-multiplayer-mod depicting the war of Independence (America vs England) at a Lan session. It was fun, because the group that managed to fight organized won - you had to advance in rows (the first row fired, then kneeled down; while they reloaded, the second row fired etc.) If you diverted from that tactic, you were pretty much lost. I doubt that this would be appealing to a mass market, however.

The scenario you discribed sounded very intriguing, Metal Sonic. Especially the part about hacking your own limb off... I too think that there are way too little games out there where one can dismember himself! However, I see a bit of a problem in how you could realistically transmit the sensation of doing so without painkillers to the player. Electroshocks perhaps?

As for Vietnam era shooters... well, there was Vietcong. Personally I thought it was a pretty good game, well thought out, but as far as I know it didn't sell too well.

[MrMatthews]

Personally, I haven't played so many FPSs that I'm getting positively sick of them (mainly because I wasn't exactly crazy about them to begin with). But I am tired of all the Medal of Honor/Call of Duty-type games. Surely there's something that can freshen them up a little bit.

How about a cinematic perspective via Half-Life? Or maybe one sprawling level, like the way Metroid Prime and Bioshock were laid out? Or how about some sort of dark, unrealistic twist, like introducing aliens/monsters/zombies into the mix?

I dunno, though - now that we're stuck in the 3D age, modern games are either going to be first-person or third-person action titles. I think more people should stop complaining about that fact and realize that there really aren't too many other options.

[retrospiel]

Shooting Nazis is always fun, although nothing beats the original Wolfenstein 3D.

[Ghaleon]

now that we're stuck in the 3D age, modern games are either going to be first-person or third-person action titles. I think more people should stop complaining about that fact and realize that there really aren't too many other options.

Funny--I think more people should more vocally complain about it, because there is another option: stop making cookie cutter game and start innovating again. But big companies have no incentive to do so when the cookie cutter games are selling so well: vote/complain with your purchasing power and don't buy the crap.

[Iron Lizard]

I want Disneyland Massacre!!

[Elusive]

Yeah, I hate FPS games where you shoot things. Not a big fan of racing games either cuz all you do is drive cars, who wants that?? stupid racing games. BO-O-RINg

[MrMatthews]

Funny--I think more people should more vocally complain about it, because there is another option: stop making cookie cutter game and start innovating again. But big companies have no incentive to do so when the cookie cutter games are selling so well: vote/complain with your purchasing power and don't buy the crap.

I agree with you, but people want cookie cutter games. They don't want new IPs, they want Call of Duty 5, 6, and 7. They want another Halo. They want a guaranteed good time, and the best way for them to get that guarantee is to basically buy the same game over and over.

[Elusive]

I agree with you, but people want cookie cutter games. They don't want new IPs, they want Call of Duty 5, 6, and 7. They want another Halo. They want a guaranteed good time, and the best way for them to get that guarantee is to basically buy the same game over and over.

There's nothing wrong with that, though. It's not like there's a finite supply of potential videogames out there, and each Tony Hawk game being released prevents somebody's indie masterpiece from getting out there.

Metal Sonic your game sounds boring; the reason there is no America Civil War game or WWI game is because, pretty much, people died by the hundreds in pointless deaths - and if you paid attention to pretty much any war game released in the past decade you'd recognise that the stereotype you're complaining about has not existed since the doom-clone era

[sega fan]

I beleive we've hit the ceiling in terms of making games based on actual wars. We've had games about WW II, Vietnam, Desert Storm, The war in Iraq, WW I, ect. I think we've tapped that resource. I think developers should sorta play around with history when they make games. How about a game based on a world where England won the revolution and the Soviet Union never collapsed, It'd be interesting to see how different the world would be through games. Sadly, instead of developers brainstorming and creating an interesting concept and story based on the world and its societies, we are going to get nothing but "Call of Duty : whogivesashit" for the time being

[jesus.arnold]

My brother just got Orange Box for his 360 and we've been mucking about with the different games, Portal is by far and away the best thing in the whole package.

[17daysolderthannes]

Sometimes games will be region specific and if the game is, say, from Germany, you very well might play as a Nazi. I know there's an airplane game for DC and you play as the Japanese in the Japan version and the US in the US version. Not sure how many games do that flip flop.

[Phantar]

Sometimes games will be region specific and if the game is, say, from Germany, you very well might play as a Nazi. I know there's an airplane game for DC and you play as the Japanese in the Japan version and the US in the US version. Not sure how many games do that flip flop.

Whoa! whoa whoa whoa whoa!!! Careful what you say here, I really take offense to that! You won't ever (officially) see a game (especially a shooter) coming from germany where you play as a Nazi. German law is very strict regarding display of symbols that can be interpreted as pro-fashist or pro third-reich.

[Baloo]

Whoa! whoa whoa whoa whoa!!! Careful what you say here, I really take offense to that! You won't ever (officially) see a game (especially a shooter) coming from germany where you play as a Nazi. German law is very strict regarding display of symbols that can be interpreted as pro-fashist or pro third-reich.

Yeah, they are REALLY anti-nazi in Germany. So anti that they tried to boycott the wax figure of Hitler in Madame Tuseau's, and the figure ended up getting it's head ripped off or something like that by a random guy.

Yeah, no Nazis in Germany. Just no.