Genesis and SNES, which had better version of a game?

[genesisguy]

Of the games I own and have compared.

SNES > GENESIS
Turtles in Time beats out Hyper Stone Heist
Sunset Riders
Zombie Ate My Neighbors
Adventures of Batman and Robin

GENESIS > SNES
NHL '94
The Strike series
SF2

Neither console is better than the other. Both are needed and I can't understand the hatred for one if you love the other. When I was younger I was a Genesis fan boy, but now I'm a 16-bit fan boy.

[gamevet]

That's not mode 7 in Axelay.

The enemies or the backgrounds?

[tomaitheous]

The enemies or the backgrounds?

Either. Sprites are not part of mode 7 scaling/rotation. This no hardware for it on sprites. And the background isn't mode 7 either. Mode 7 *can't* have two overlapping BGs. That "roll" effect is just a simple hsync/scanline effect. Doable on the Genesis/SNES/PCE/SMS/etc. Matter of fact, Chris Covell did a demo if the first level boss of Axelay on the SuperGrafx. To run the demo in Mednafen emulator, rename the .pce extension to .sgx

[PimpUigi]

Zool = Genesis
Alien 3 = Genesis
Robocop 3 = ? (faster on the Genesis, better graphics on the SNES...I give it to Genesis personally)
Radical Rex = ??? (would like to know, Sega CD, Genesis, or SNES)
Animaniacs = Genesis
Tiny Toon Adventures = Genesis
MK1 = Genesis (plays more like the arcade version, not counting the blood...SNES has better graphic, and Genesis has better music, but SNES has the arcade's music, and more sound effects)
MK2 = 32X (arcade perfect gameplay, but is missing the Tree's moans, and the sound effects of one of the stages lightning strikes)

ZAMN...I prefer the Genesis version.
You get to see your radar the whole time, you get full use of your television, and IMHO the graphics are clearer, though not quite as detailed on the character selection screen...certain sound effects are lower quality, but music quality actually seems improved on Genesis.

Batman Returns = ? I would think Sega CD
Beavis and Butthead = Genesis by far
Smash TV = Super Nintendo by far
Jurassic Park = Super Nintendo by far (though IMHO Genesis has some cooler features and much more realistic graphics...SNES got way the way better game)
Syndicate = Sega CD by far
The Lion King = Genesis (SNES has too many glitches, and the second level is really a bitch because of them)
Aladdin = Genesis

SF2CE (Gen...includes Turbo) vs. SF2 Turbo (SNES, includes CE) = ??? (IMHO Genesis on this one)
SSFT2 = ??? (IMHO SNES on this one...so hard to call for both of these though)

Adventures of Batman and Robin = Genesis
Sega CD is just a crappy car game, SNES feels like a flash game with bad hit detection...Genesis version is really cool...
Not a hard choice.
Genesis version's fault is that the bosses take way too long to kill...IMHO

The Lost Vikings = SNES

Sunset Riders = ??
SNES version is more like the arcade.
Genesis basically got Sunset Riders 2: The New Levels. The hookers aren't censored either, like in the SNES version.
I prefer the Genesis one, but I'm bias because of the hookers.

I love this topic.
I enjoyed Hyper Stone more than Turtles 4...but I haven't played either in forever, so don't know which is better.

Can someone check the Spiderman games for me????

Genesis got the best X-men game in Clone Wars

[kool kitty89]

A lot of those (including Aladdin) are unrelated games.

[Aarzak]

Either. Sprites are not part of mode 7 scaling/rotation. This no hardware for it on sprites. And the background isn't mode 7 either. Mode 7 *can't* have two overlapping BGs. That "roll" effect is just a simple hsync/scanline effect. Doable on the Genesis/SNES/PCE/SMS/etc. Matter of fact, Chris Covell did a demo if the first level boss of Axelay on the SuperGrafx. To run the demo in Mednafen emulator, rename the .pce extension to .sgx

You can see the "Axelay effect" done on Genesis during the Special Stages in "Sonic 3D Blast".

I also used to think that Axelay's vertically scrolling stages were done in Mode 7, and of course the gaming media thought so as well.

Although in Stage 3, there is a brief scene where there's TWO layers of the "Mode 7" background overlapping. Have any idea how that's done Mr. Tom Atheist?

2:20 in the video

[PimpUigi]

A lot of those (including Aladdin) are unrelated games.

Title vs title
: )
That's the way multiplatform works.

Still the same basis.
Graphics, SFX, Music, Game Play, and of course Presentation.

In fact, it'd be really awesome if someone could get me a list of the game titles that the Genesis and SNES had in common, so I could go through the whole thing and play both versions.

[Black_Tiger]

You can see the "Axelay effect" done on Genesis during the Special Stages in "Sonic 3D Blast".

I also used to think that Axelay's vertically scrolling stages were done in Mode 7, and of course the gaming media thought so as well.

Although in Stage 3, there is a brief scene where there's TWO layers of the "Mode 7" background overlapping. Have any idea how that's done Mr. Tom Atheist?

The Wonderswan port of FFIV uses the same effect for the airship mode. Since the effect is "warping" a background/tile layer, to have two layers of the effect would simply mean using the effect on both layers. No different than if you told Thunder Force III to use that wavy effect from the "Gorgon" stage on the midground layer as well.

That demo by Chris Covell includes PC Engine roms that do the effect on a single layer, since the PCE only has a single background/tile layer. Since the SuperGrafx has two sets of PCE layers it just uses the same effect for each bg/tile layer.

[tomaitheous]

You can see the "Axelay effect" done on Genesis during the Special Stages in "Sonic 3D Blast".

I also used to think that Axelay's vertically scrolling stages were done in Mode 7, and of course the gaming media thought so as well.

Although in Stage 3, there is a brief scene where there's TWO layers of the "Mode 7" background overlapping. Have any idea how that's done Mr. Tom Atheist?

2:20 in the video

Ohh, that's the level CCovell did in his demo. Level 3.


It's just two BG layers. No mode 7. Mode 7 allows you to scale on X and Y axis. But using a hsync interrupt, you can scale the BG layers on the Y axis manually. You can do it on any of the BG layers independently, you're not restricted to all of them at once or only just one of them. And that's what Axelay is doing there, scaling both BGs on the vertically manually via hsync and tilemap repositioning.

<- Vertical scaling on the lower half of the image. Supposed to be vertical squish roll off of a large body of water reflecting the far background. Reverse draw, vertical scaling, palette change. When the top half moves, the bottom half is directly effected. Anyway, same method. The vertical scaling thing.

[TmEE]

Zero the Kamikaze Squirrel and Aero the Acrobat 2 sound nicer and look slightly better on the SNES, but gameplay is superior on the MD because of higher res and better response.

[Zebbe]

Games better on SNES:
Most stuff by Konami and Capcom.
Any game that Probe handled on MD.

Games better on MD:
Most EA games.
Most STG games

etc.

[Wesker]

Most Virgin games are also better on the Mega Drive.

[jesus.arnold]

Did anyone mention Joe and Mac yet? its funny that I forgot to mention it myself actually as I went through both versions ages ago for my site, Joe and Mac on SNES is a horrible rushed mess, its very much at the level of shoddyness that the Mega Drive version of Sunset Riders is at.

[gamevet]

Either. Sprites are not part of mode 7 scaling/rotation. This no hardware for it on sprites. And the background isn't mode 7 either. Mode 7 *can't* have two overlapping BGs. That "roll" effect is just a simple hsync/scanline effect. Doable on the Genesis/SNES/PCE/SMS/etc. Matter of fact, Chris Covell did a demo if the first level boss of Axelay on the SuperGrafx. To run the demo in Mednafen emulator, rename the .pce extension to .sgx

Wouldn't it be easier to do it through mode 7 though? The background effects look identical to those of the airship stages in Final Fantasy on the SNES, minus the rotation.



You're the only person I've heard call the effects in Axelay something other than mode 7. I believe Axelay was made the way it was, because a lot of developers messed with mode 7 effects early on with the SNES. Contra III was one example, as was F-Zero and Castlevania IV.

[kool kitty89]

You're the only person I've heard call the effects in Axelay something other than mode 7. I believe Axelay was made the way it was, because a lot of developers messed with mode 7 effects early on with the SNES. Contra III was one example, as was F-Zero and Castlevania IV.

It doesn't really look much like mode 7 though... Mode 7 is just a 128x128 pixel, textured tile (or 2 tiles iirc) that can be scaled and rotated, but not distorted.

Axelay looks like a warping raster effect with some scaling, kind of like some Amiga stuf.