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    Quote Originally Posted by InternalPrimate View Post

    I like mine, but it definitely doesn't get as much attention as my 360 or DS. It does, however, get a lot more attention than my PS3. You just have to search out the gems.
    If you're playing a Wii more than a PS3, you seriously haven't searched for the gems of the PS3.

    If I were to buy a Wii, it would be the 3rd console of choice for gameplay, much like the N64 was to the Playstation and Saturn, and the Gamecube was to the Xbox and PS2 in my home. I'm more interested in what is being offered on the virtual console, to what is available on disc, but most of those games can be had through emulation for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamevet View Post
    If you're playing a PS3 more than a Wii, you seriously haven't searched for the gems of the Wii.
    This works fine in both ways
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christuserloeser View Post
    This works fine in both ways
    Not really.

    If I'd spent $300+ on a console with much better games, technology and features, I'm certainly not going to throw away cash for mediocre games on a console that I'd spent less money on. It would make sense if I was getting the games for a lot less cash on the cheaper console.

    The guys at Game Critics had me rolling with Podcast 16 that featured E3 coverage. Every one of them was so pissed off about the state of the Wii, and one guy about lost it with his disgust for what Nintendo had to show. They later had a podcast 18, where they talked about that particular episode, and discussed in more detail why they felt what they did about the console.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamevet View Post
    If you're playing a Wii more than a PS3, you seriously haven't searched for the gems of the PS3.

    If I were to buy a Wii, it would be the 3rd console of choice for gameplay, much like the N64 was to the Playstation and Saturn, and the Gamecube was to the Xbox and PS2 in my home. I'm more interested in what is being offered on the virtual console, to what is available on disc, but most of those games can be had through emulation for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamevet View Post
    Not really.

    If I'd spent $300+ on a console with much better games, technology and features, I'm certainly not going to throw away cash for mediocre games on a console that I'd spent less money on. It would make sense if I was getting the games for a lot less cash on the cheaper console.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamevet View Post
    If you're playing a Wii more than a PS3, you seriously haven't searched for the gems of the PS3.
    The main reason my PS3 is largely ignored is because pretty much all of the games I'm interested in are multi-console, and for those I'm a 360 supporter since 90% of my friends are. You'd be surprised what an online community can do to you.

    As for PS3 exclusives, I can count the games I'm interested in on one hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InternalPrimate View Post
    $199 is a great investment for the upcoming year:

    New Super Mario Bros. Wii
    Silent Hill Shattered Memories
    Red Steel 2
    Raving Rabbids Go Home
    No More Heroes 2
    Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
    A Boy and his Blob
    Tatsunoko Vs Capcom
    Dead Space Extraction
    You have a couple of odd blank spots in your list, IP. It's weird how you don't mention Metroid: Other M or Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles.

    What happened to you, dude?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes View Post
    This is why I bought the Wii initially. Historically, systems priced below $300 (in this case almost half the price of the competitors) tend to sell ridiculous amounts of units. Hell, the PS2 is still selling like hotcakes even though the only games really coming out anymore is Guitar Hero-type games and a handful of last minute Japanese translations or retro compilations. I took this high-sales logic and assumed that, like the PS2, the best selling system of its generation, would lead to a smorgasbord of great games for the Wii. Boy was I wrong. Toy Story is coming out with a new game, guess what genre defying powerhouse it is going to be? ANOTHER FUCKING MINI GAME COMPILATION! I'd rather play Toy Story for Genesis any day of the year. FML, the Wii is a black hole of shit. There are only tolerable Wii games, no good ones.
    You should know by now that the Wii is not marketed to you. Sitting by your console, waiting for the games to arrive is only going to drive you nuts. I bought mine, stuck it under the TV, and will forget about it until something that interests me comes along. In the meantime, let my kids play Bratz and Carnival games. They're the Wii's target audience, after all.

    I got Nights, which is pretty cool, as well as Zak & Wiki (a great Capcom game that was made for fans), and Contra Rebirth. I'm going to get Ghost Squad, which is a short-but-cool light gun game, as well as both HOD games and Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles. Those, along with Super Mario Galaxy and Punch Out!, give me all the Wii gaming I'll need between 360 and PS3 sessions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InternalPrimate View Post
    The main reason my PS3 is largely ignored is because pretty much all of the games I'm interested in are multi-console, and for those I'm a 360 supporter since 90% of my friends are. You'd be surprised what an online community can do to you.
    If the game's primary feature is multiplayer, I'll buy it for 360. If it's just a one player game, I'm buying it on PS3. I do that because I'd like to have something next-gen to play, the next time my 360 decides it's time to RROD.

    As for PS3 exclusives, I can count the games I'm interested in on one hand.
    And the Wii has more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamevet View Post
    If the game's primary feature is multiplayer, I'll buy it for 360. If it's just a one player game, I'm buying it on PS3. I do that because I'd like to have something next-gen to play, the next time my 360 decides it's time to RROD.



    And the Wii has more?
    That I'm interested in, yes. We may have completely different tastes in gaming, and that's okay. Here's the exclusive Wii games I own:

    Wii Sports
    Wii Sports Resort
    Zack & Wiki
    Geometry War Galaxies
    Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition (not exactly an exclusive, but a must buy because of the way it plays)
    Madworld
    Twilight Princess
    Super Paper Mario World
    Super Mario Galaxy
    No More Heroes
    Super Smash Bros. Brawl
    Mario Kart Wii
    Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles
    Sonic and the Secret Rings (I still contend that it's the best 3D sonic game released in almost a decade)
    Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz
    Metroid Prime Trilogy
    Tiger Woods 10 (like RE4, not exactly an exclusive, but different in how it plays)
    House of the Dead Overkill
    Link's Crossbow Training


    These are just the exclusives I own, and excludes WiiWare. There are far more that I'm interested in. The only PS3 exclusives I'm interested in are Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Valkyria Chronicles, aaaaaaand that's it. At least, nothing else comes to mind.

    I understand your fear of the RROD though, its happened to me three times, and I'm on my fourth 360. Still, it's what I buy games for.

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    Only reasons I'd get Wii is for New Super Mario Bros. the 2D one, Punchout, and Silent Hill, other than that I really don't have any interest in pretty much the entire library.

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    how can someone have a piece of hardware fail FOUR times and still buy software for it? I have been a Mac fan all of my life, if my computer suffered catastrophic failure 4 times in a short time span (a year or less) and it wasn't somehow directly my fault, I would never buy a Mac again. Do you enjoy the prospect of not being able to play your XBOX 360 library once Microsoft discontinues the system and won't repair it for free anymore? Do you plan on continuing to buy them used one after another? One of the things I love most about Sega hardware is how resilient it is (with few exceptions like the eventual failure of capacitors in GameGears and the alleged laser problems of the DC). I simply cannot understand why anyone would continue to support the XBOX 360. Am I crazy for finding the PS3 the only worthwhile system of this generation? Say what you will about the games, the PS3 works, the controllers aren't garbage, you can buy accessories for less than half the price of the console ($100 Wi-Fi adapter for 360, woot!), and mini-games are nowhere in sight. How that isn't an epic win for this generation is a mystery to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InternalPrimate View Post
    That I'm interested in, yes. We may have completely different tastes in gaming, and that's okay. Here's the exclusive Wii games I own:


    Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition (not exactly an exclusive, but a must buy because of the way it plays)
    You could play this on the GC and PS2. The addition of motion control hardly makes this game a reason to buy a Wii.

    Twilight Princess
    The same as RE4.


    Metroid Prime Trilogy
    I had an interest in Prime 3, but I've heard it's nothing special and 2 wasn't as good as the original Prime either. The addition of flicking your wrist to open a door and a few other motion control features don't seem like much of a reason to own the Wii version over what is already available on a GC.


    These are just the exclusives I own, and excludes WiiWare. There are far more that I'm interested in. The only PS3 exclusives I'm interested in are Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Valkyria Chronicles, aaaaaaand that's it. At least, nothing else comes to mind.

    .

    Super Stardust
    Wipeout HD
    Little Big Planet
    inFamous
    Disgaea 3
    Metal Gear Solid 4
    Flow
    Heavenly Sword
    Resistance 2
    Killzone 2
    Demon's Souls
    Motorstorm Pacific Rift
    Ninja Gaiden Sigma
    Zen Pinball
    Linger in Shadows
    Shatter


    There are other titles like Flower that are considered pretty good, but I didn't play quite enough of the demo to get it. Gran Turismo HD is alright, but far too short to spend $30 on. And I'm not a fan of Ratchet and Clank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes View Post
    Am I crazy for finding the PS3 the only worthwhile system of this generation? Say what you will about the games, the PS3 works, the controllers aren't garbage, you can buy accessories for less than half the price of the console ($100 Wi-Fi adapter for 360, woot!), and mini-games are nowhere in sight. How that isn't an epic win for this generation is a mystery to me.
    ***Sigh*** 17days apparently needs attention.

    Again, it's failed three times. Not four. Not that it makes much of a difference, as failing one time is unacceptable. Still, the system was under warranty each time, and I'm confident that the NEXT Xbox will be backwards compatible, so I'm not going to live in fear of buying games.

    So the PS3 doesn't break, has a functional controller, and its accessories don't cost an arm and a leg. That's why it should be selling well? I'm sorry, you had me laughing there.

    I stick with my 360 simply because it's the better all around system. There are more games I enjoy, the online component is far better (I don't mind paying $50 for service), the controller is excellent, and like I said, all of my friends are on board. Sure, I could play Call of Duty 4 on the PS3, free online and all, but with who? The 360 is this generation's online platform of choice, and I welcome that.

    The physical hardware may be cheap and faulty, but that doesn't take away from all of the right things Microsoft has done right this generation. The 360 is an excellent console. Had it been better built, it might be one of the best ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamevet View Post
    You could play this on the GC and PS2. The addition of motion control hardly makes this game a reason to buy a Wii.
    Oh, it's far better on the Wii. I didn't say any of these games are reason to own the Wii, just exclusive games I'm interested in. And Resident Evil isn't substantially better because of motion controls, it's substantially better because of pointer controls.

    Oh, and I forgot that Twilight Princess also came out on the GC I'll give you that one. I prefer the Wii controls, but can understand why others wouldn't.




    I had an interest in Prime 3, but I've heard it's nothing special and 2 wasn't as good as the original Prime either. The addition of flicking your wrist to open a door and a few other motion control features don't seem like much of a reason to own the Wii version over what is already available on a GC.
    You heard wrong my friend! MP3 is good fun. And just like in the case of RE4, it's all about pointer controls. It's far better, and worth repurchasing the first two games in the series.




    Wipeout HD
    Little Big Planet
    inFamous
    Disgaea 3
    Metal Gear Solid 4
    Heavenly Sword
    Resistance 2
    Killzone 2
    Demon's Souls
    Motorstorm Pacific Rift


    There are other titles like Flower that are considered pretty good, but I didn't play quite enough of the demo to get it. Gran Turismo HD is alright, but far too short to spend $30 on. And I'm not a fan of Ratchet and Clank.
    Well, first off, I neglected WiiWare games, so I went ahead and deleted PSN games on your list. And Ninja Gaiden isn't an exclusive. Honestly, Looking at that revised list, not one game interests me. Again, this is just matter of taste.

    I will admit that there is one more game that I can't wait for: The Last Guardian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InternalPrimate View Post
    ***Sigh*** 17days apparently needs attention.
    ok?

    Quote Originally Posted by InternalPrimate View Post
    Again, it's failed three times. Not four. Not that it makes much of a difference, as failing one time is unacceptable. Still, the system was under warranty each time, and I'm confident that the NEXT Xbox will be backwards compatible, so I'm not going to live in fear of buying games.
    just like this XBOX was backwards compatible, right?

    I'll remember this when you sell your collection of coasters for the price of broken glass because there aren't any systems left to play them on.

    Quote Originally Posted by InternalPrimate View Post
    So the PS3 doesn't break, has a functional controller, and its accessories don't cost an arm and a leg. That's why it should be selling well? I'm sorry, you had me laughing there.
    Ummmm, yeah, it's a damn good start. It has Skate and Skate 2 and Gran Turismo 5 (prologue for now, but just wait). That's enough for the rest of my life TBH.

    Quote Originally Posted by InternalPrimate View Post
    I stick with my 360 simply because it's the better all around system. There are more games I enjoy, the online component is far better (I don't mind paying $50 for service), the controller is excellent, and like I said, all of my friends are on board. Sure, I could play Call of Duty 4 on the PS3, free online and all, but with who? The 360 is this generation's online platform of choice, and I welcome that.
    That's the biggest mystery of all. Your friends not having one wouldn't be a problem if they were smart and went with the PS3 to begin with. I would rather get a PS3 and LOL when they had to get it repaired again. I don't have any friends good enough at video games to be competitive with me anyway, so I'd rather play with strangers online if I need a quick multiplayer fix. If I want to play with friends, I'll play with them in my living room. Besides, my schedule is so irregular because of school that I would probably never be on when they were anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by InternalPrimate View Post
    The physical hardware may be cheap and faulty, but that doesn't take away from all of the right things Microsoft has done right this generation. The 360 is an excellent console. Had it been better built, it might be one of the best ever.
    Exactly what did they do right? come out before Wii and PS3, that's pretty much it. Aside from games also on the PS3, I haven't played a single game on XBOX 360 I was thrilled about. Forza sucks my nuts, though the first one was sort of fun for $4.

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