Come on, guys- ToeJam & Earl DS needs a publisher.

[jerry coeurl]

Well, nothing beats The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time in the Zelda series, yet Nintendo continues to give us Zelda games even though everything after OoT seems to be disappointments.

Actually the best Zelda is Link's Awakening/DX for the Game Boy/Color. The only people who didn't like Wind Waker were babies who refused to get their heads out of their asses and see past the cel-shaded visuals (or even appreciate them on their own merit). It was actually very well-received when it came out.

The funniest part is that all of the people crying out for a "more mature Zelda" got that in the colossally boring Twilight Princess, which I'd say is probably the least fun Zelda game to date. "Be careful what you wish for" is the lesson to be learned there. I almost feel like that was Miyamoto's objective. "Oh, you don't like my beautiful, colorful, cartoon-like adventure game? Well here's a boring, tedious adult game that looks like it fell out of Gears of War's ass instead you ungrateful fuckers!"

[Rusty Venture]

Link's Awakening = Best Zelda ever.

[NeoVamp]

*mumbles something about rather having them release the true Toejam & Earl 2 on the original Genesis*

[NinMicroSega]

*mumbles something about rather having them release the true Toejam & Earl 2 on the original Genesis*

Yeah 'cause we seriously need another platformer. There aren't enough of those, right?

[NinMicroSega]

Wow, I found this very informative interview that GameTap did with Greg Johnson and Mark Voorsanger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAWLpMnPJaA

[Knuckle Duster]

Ugh, I feel like ranting:

Actually the best Zelda is Link's Awakening/DX for the Game Boy/Color. The only people who didn't like Wind Waker were babies who refused to get their heads out of their asses and see past the cel-shaded visuals (or even appreciate them on their own merit). It was actually very well-received when it came out.

I didn't like the fact that it was too hard to die, the world was a massive barren, & boring 'chore' to traverse (tiny islands would have done it for me if there was a continent or two, effectively doubling or tripling the world from what it was.)There weren't enough dungeons. (Traditionally themed or otherwise)

I think it pretty much sucks as a Zelda experience and excels better than most average games in the same genre, presentation aside. I liked the visuals. I fucking 'Love' wild arms 3, so that's saying something.

It was way too easy for a Zelda game. A huge disappointment since Eiji Aonuma proved he could do it justice already with Majora's Mask.

The funniest part is that all of the people crying out for a "more mature Zelda" got that in the colossally boring Twilight Princess, which I'd say is probably the least fun Zelda game to date. "Be careful what you wish for" is the lesson to be learned there. I almost feel like that was Miyamoto's objective. "Oh, you don't like my beautiful, colorful, cartoon-like adventure game? Well here's a boring, tedious adult game that looks like it fell out of Gears of War's ass instead you ungrateful fuckers!"

Miyamoto's taken a hands off approach to the series since OoT.
Wind Waker was no different, than Twilight Princess in this regard, except he didn't like what he saw a few times and grabbed the reins to 'salvage' the game.

The main problem I found with TP was how the wolf gimmick felt tacked on, and how 'Nothing' was different than Ocarina of Time as far as gameplay gos. It's been done already & huge expectations can't be met any more.

I wanted to punch something when I saw the credits roll on that game, it felt like the most hallow experience in gaming history. No payoff. No effort involved. Just a big depressing 'Meh' of game design.

I wouldn't mind Zelda adopting a stronger narrative or something. That's what made Alundra kick so much ass back in the day. They need to rework their formula by going back to basics on it IMO. Not just for a thematic entry in the series relying on a gimmick, as usual. But a genuine full Zelda experience based around new ideas. Majora's Mask pulled it off somewhat. "Minish Crap" didn't. WW/TP slide further downhill from there. (TPH was stylus only bullshit thrown on a stupidly-easy game.)

When I played Dragon Quest 8 on the PS2, it was the last time I played a 'fantasy' game that felt 'open' with exploration being half the fun of playing and challenge being a factor.

There's no reason a New 3D Zelda game should be anything less than the complete size of Azeroth/Kalimdor/Northrend/Outland from World of Warcraft.

A Zelda game on "that scale" would feel like the original legend of Zelda back in the 80s did, "Massive". I have no doubt that Nintendo could pull it off & pack it with content & challenge, especially with their new Super Guide function to help cake-walk some hard bosses.

[NeoVamp]

Yeah 'cause we seriously need another platformer. There aren't enough of those, right?

What? The original Toejam & Earl 2 wasn't a platformer, it was gonna be similar to the first one.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Phexar]

Well, if you like platformers, which most people do, then you would like Panic on Funkotron. In a lot of ways, the game was advanced for its time, having a lot of conversations with characters and some physics-like mechanics when it came to throwing jars. I personally liked the first one more because it was like Rogue, which is similar to a dungeon crawler. The 3rd game, Mission to Earth, which failed miserably, was like a cross between the first one and Donkey Kong 64 (which is the same way that Mr. Johnson described it).

Ah, I loved Panic on Funkotron, played it before the original too. It's probably one of my favourite platformers. I didn't like the original so much unfortunately, but I picked up Mission to Earth recently and will play it at some point... the blending of styles makes it look more palatable to me than the original, so I hope I will enjoy it.

Nothing was rally set in stone at that point I'm guessing. Except possibly a few launch titles. Also, I wouldn't go as far as to say Wind Waker was a let down. People were just slightly put off by the cartoonish appearance. I heard nothing but good reviews for it when it came out.

I never actually played that one myself, but I recall the complaints about the appearance died down a bit after the initial wave, then the complaints about the tedious boat riding and lack of difficulty cropped up and continued to persist onwards. Though it still got good reviews in general, as you said.

Edit:

I didn't like the fact that it was too hard to die, the world was a massive barren, & boring 'chore' to traverse (tiny islands would have done it for me if there was a continent or two, effectively doubling or tripling the world from what it was.)There weren't enough dungeons. (Traditionally themed or otherwise)

I think it pretty much sucks as a Zelda experience and excels better than most average games in the same genre, presentation aside. I liked the visuals. I fucking 'Love' wild arms 3, so that's saying something.

It was way too easy for a Zelda game. A huge disappointment since Eiji Aonuma proved he could do it justice already with Majora's Mask.

Yeah, those were the majority of complaints I heard about the game, rather than the visuals.

[jerry coeurl]

I didn't like the fact that it was too hard to die, the world was a massive barren, & boring 'chore' to traverse (tiny islands would have done it for me if there was a continent or two, effectively doubling or tripling the world from what it was.)There weren't enough dungeons. (Traditionally themed or otherwise)

I think it pretty much sucks as a Zelda experience and excels better than most average games in the same genre, presentation aside. I liked the visuals. I fucking 'Love' wild arms 3, so that's saying something.

It was way too easy for a Zelda game. A huge disappointment since Eiji Aonuma proved he could do it justice already with Majora's Mask.

Heh, I was about to get worked up here, until I realized you were talking about Wind Waker, not Link's Awakening!

Anyway, I agree with most of what you said, to be honest I have never finished Wind Waker, I just appreciate it's aesthetic a lot more than that of Twilight Princess (which really reminded me of OoT, just with better graphics). But I can't really comment on either of them, as the only Zelda games I've played to completion are Awakening & OoT. I was just taking exception with the new guy's "nobody liked WW" statement.

[NinMicroSega]

What? The original Toejam & Earl 2 wasn't a platformer, it was gonna be similar to the first one.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Are you talking about the BETA version? Make yourself clear next time. I know about how ToeJam & Earl 2 in its early stages was going to be just like 1, but Greg Johnson and Mark Voorsanger had to change it up a bit due to pressures from SEGA of America.

[NeoVamp]

Make yourself clear next time.

I said "True Toejam & Earl 2" sure i could have said BETA UNRELEASED ETC ETC,
but the fact remains that we do not have a beta or even know what it looks like,
so i formulated it as best as i could.

Also your reply is weird too, why would i ask them to release Toejam & Earl 2 while it was already released?
I clearly said "On Genesis"

[Knuckle Duster]

Link's Awakening was fucking awesome and is still a "Top 10" piece of software for any handheld.

[Phexar]

Link's Awakening was fucking awesome and is still a "Top 10" piece of software for any handheld.

Oh, I agree. My first Zelda and I still think it's better than A Link to the Past.

[NinMicroSega]

I said "True Toejam & Earl 2" sure i could have said BETA UNRELEASED ETC ETC,
but the fact remains that we do not have a beta or even know what it looks like,
so i formulated it as best as i could.

Also your reply is weird too, why would i ask them to release Toejam & Earl 2 while it was already released?
I clearly said "On Genesis"

Sorry, man. There's a certain time of the day I start getting tired.

[Wildfire McCloud]

Link's Awakening was fucking awesome and is still a "Top 10" piece of software for any handheld.

I never actually played Link's Awakening (or Wind Waker for that matter, although I recently bought the latter). How does it compare with Oracle of Ages/Seasons? I loved those games back in the day. If Link's Awakening is anything like those, it'll be a must-buy for me.