Most powerful 2D arcade board?

[kool kitty89]

Of course every 3D arcade board of the last 10-15 years is going to outclass every 2D arcade board that came before it, so yeah, primarily 3D boards don't count.

But are some 3D oriented boards even superior in 2D than the best dedicated 2D boards?

[Aarzak]

Yeah, that's what I meant.

[Joe Redifer]

Dedicated 2D or non-dedicated 2D?? Pick one and stick with it!!

Dedicated 2D. But of course people will just read the thread title and respond without reading first saying how the PS4 is the best at 2D.

[Da_Shocker]

The Neo Geo most certainly isn't the most powerful 2D board since it can't even do rotation because it was so incredibly weak. The Namco 2D board was pretty good. But I'm gonna go with the Sega Super Scaler (Galaxy Force). That game makes a Neo Geo and all other 2D boards cry. And no, Galaxy Force is NOT a 3D game.

Where is Parallaxscroll when you need him?

WHAT!

[Jasper061992]

WHAT!

As good as the colour palette the Neo Geo had, it wasn't all that good at parallax scrolling either. Even the Megadrive had it better in that area. Don't get me wrong, i sill badly want an AES though!


I think Sega's System 32 board is a very good 2D cruncher that holds up very well.

[retrospiel]

But wasn't the Naomi used more for 3D games?

Probably, but from what I understood, the way the PowerVR2DC works (using tiles) is very similar to a dedicated 2d machine.

Still, it doesn't really use bitmaps like the CPS3.

Another really hot 2d board would be the ST-V: http://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=711

[tomaitheous]

As good as the colour palette the Neo Geo had, it wasn't all that good at parallax scrolling either. Even the Megadrive had it better in that area.

Why are saying this!? What makes you think this?

[kool kitty89]

In context of the superscalar boards, wasn't the System-32 more capable overall?

[Aarzak]

Probably, but from what I understood, the way the PowerVR2DC works (using tiles) is very similar to a dedicated 2d machine.

Still, it doesn't really use bitmaps like the CPS3.

Another really hot 2d board would be the ST-V: http://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=711

ST-V was also a primarily 3D board.

[chinitosoccer]

As good as the colour palette the Neo Geo had, it wasn't all that good at parallax scrolling either. Even the Megadrive had it better in that area. Don't get me wrong, i sill badly want an AES though

on what sources are you relying to make such claim?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWO2Yamhj5o

[17daysolderthannes]

on what sources are you relying to make such claim?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWO2Yamhj5o

I dunno, that parallax scrolling is pretty shitty looking IMO. Maybe it's just the video, but it looks like the scrolling is very jerky and kind of inch worms its way across the screen rather than smoothly scrolling.

[Joe Redifer]

The Neo could parallax scroll just fine, but that Zedblade game is not a good example. The scrolling isn't even smooth. Look at the enemies sitting on the ground or even the rock that scrolls across the screen from :40 to :54. It bounces back and forth as it scrolls. This cannot be blamed on Youtube or the user who encoded the video. It can only be blamed on the game. I have actually seen many Neo Geo games do this. Must be a flaw in the system somewhere.

I do know that the Neo Geo is nowhere near as good as the internet pretends it to be. For an arcade machine, it could have been much better designed as it was low end in the arcades even when it was introduced.

[Jasper061992]

Why are saying this!? What makes you think this?

Well, if you can remember in the other thread, you did further clarify when i asked if parallax scrolling wasn't it's strongest area. Then again, I could be wrong. Of all the games i seen on it (maybe i didn't see enough lol) i didn't see much parallax scrolling. Maybe its that more Mega Drive games took advantage of it. I don't know, maybe i need to see more Neo Geo games in front of me before jumping to conclusions.

I got Metal Slug X on PS1, direct port from the Neo Geo, right? Although i seen parallax scrolling, there wasn't much.

on what sources are you relying to make such claim?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWO2Yamhj5o

I've gone by what i seen. Like i said above, of all the games i seen on it, the Neo Geo didn't use very much parallax scrolling or some of the games that did (the video) is kinda choppy as 17days said. Maybe it's just the poor Youtube quality

All in all, I just find Parallax scrolling on the Mega Drive more impressive especially as it can do it smoothly considering it's VDP can't match that of the Neo Geo's custom video chip.

[17daysolderthannes]

Well, if you can remember in the other thread, you did further clarify when i asked if parallax scrolling wasn't it's strongest area. Then again i myself could be wrong. Of all the games i seen on it (maybe i didn't see enough lol) i didn't see much parallax scrolling. Maybe its that more Mega Drive games took advantage of it. I don't know.

I got Metal Slug X on PS1, direct port from the Neo Geo, right? Although i seen parallax scrolling, there wasn't much.

*ahem*

"Of all the games I saw on it"

"although I saw parallax scrolling, there wasn't much"

did I just have to correct a British person's grammar? dear god. I mean, I'll let "their" and "they're" go, and of course run on sentences are fair game, but come on.

You can't really evaluate a game based on a port as the quality of scrolling, etc. could change drastically in the porting process. The Genesis probably used parallax to the extent it did because it was one of the few things it could do to make itself stand out against the scaling capabilities of the Neo Geo and the Mode 7 of the SNES.

[Jasper061992]

*ahem*

"Of all the games I saw on it"

"although I saw parallax scrolling, there wasn't much"

did I just have to correct a British person's grammar? dear god. I mean, I'll let "their" and "they're" go, and of course run on sentences are fair game, but come on.

You can't really evaluate a game based on a port as the quality of scrolling, etc. could change drastically in the porting process. The Genesis probably used parallax to the extent it did because it was one of the few things it could do to make itself stand out against the scaling capabilities of the Neo Geo and the Mode 7 of the SNES.

Wow, i didn't know minor grammar differences between British and American English was such mind boggling problem. Way to nitpick something so minor that didn't accomplish anything? Either if i can recall, are both used in similar/identical sentences. Both are past tense, right? Remember i wasn't raised in USA. Also, where do you see those letters you are trying to point out to me in my quoted text?

Secondly. Your saying i can't evaluate a game based on a port. I understand i can't judge a game from a port on say, the Megadrive to determine the capabilities of the Neo Geo. But isn't the PS1's 2D chip more capable than that of the Neo Geo's ironically? I seen videos on Youtube of Metal Slug on the Saturn, PS1 and the Neo Geo, the parallax scrolling on all 3 look the same to me. Judging the PS1 and the Neo Geo hardware, the PS1 version should be better!.