Console wars today

[PimpUigi]

That's true.
It's kind of resurrected an old Sega vs. SNES type thing where both games will have the same name but be completely different.

I love that there's two different versions of Sonic Unleashed.
You get both, and you've got twice the game play of the same game!

[InternalPrimate]

I disagree, SM64 and Sunshine especially are much more fun than Galaxy, I am a 3D platformer fan, I generally liked SA1/2 more in terms of gameplay than any of the 2D sonic titles (and I linke those generally more than the 2D mario games, except Yoshi's island -even then I'm on the fence with S3&K). Galaxy just doesn't feel right to me. (maybe galaxy II will)

Different strokes for different folks I guess

[kool kitty89]

Ah.
Sega in the 90's
I get it!

Don't let christuserloeser hear you say that.

It came out as a weaker Xbox for $250
I was pretty bummed by the graphics, not that they're what matter, but I hate the motion controls too.

It's more powerful than the origianl Xbox for sure, though so was the GameCube in some respects. (witht he Wii being more or less a GC on stereoids with gimicky controller and thankfully GC controller support)

Motion controls are hit and miss, but th epointer can be used to great effect, especialy for FPS titles liek Metroid Prime III.

I hated Metroid Prime 3, and I loved the first two like crazy.

I loved the use of pointer, almost fely like using a mouse on a PC FPS. )motion controlls were decent -above average for sure -but that's not saying much about average) Gohstbusters also used th epointer well, and decent motion controlls. Point and Click games like SBCG4AP make all th edifference with the pointer. (albeit it's also on PC)

Brawl and Wii Mario Kart both took out the competitive edge on purpose, to appeal to casual gamers.

I found melee less fun than the original, the easier controls in Brawl made a big difference, almost as good as the N64. (I almost always play as picachu)
Using the GC controller of course, wiimote/nunchuck SUCK!!! for that game.
Not sure about mario kart, only played it a little, definitely another I wouldn't even considder if it didn't have GC controlls, I think I prefer it to double dash, maybe not MK64 or SMK. (the latter for racing only, not battle which is pretty weak on SMK)

I also don't care for 3D Zelda games, not being able to shoot your sword when you have full health is a deal breaker. I also feel the game should be a Devil May Cry clone at this point to pull more people in, since no one I know likes Zelda games anymore.

I think TP is a good looking game with some interesting features but lacking substance and fairly bland overall. Wind Waker was great, so were OOT and Majora's Mask. I think I prefer the 3D zelda games, probably MM, OOT, WW, then Zelda I, then LTP, probably Awakening (which I don't have, and have only played a bit, but know by reputation), then Zelda II. (I havn;t played most of the GB/GBC/GBA/DS titles though)

I hated Super Mario Galaxy. I know I'm alone in this.
I'm also ashamed that Luigi will never be true Luigi again. His final performance as real Luigi was in Super Smash Bros. Melee, where he looks exactly as he does in real life, sounds exactly as he does in real life, they left him completely uncensored and great with the exception of censoring his cape (turned it into a head butt) and his running break dance kick (turned it into a flailing and useless attack, but thankfully Nintendo granted us wavedashing, so we are again able to break dance dash attack)

Agree on SMG, one of my least favorite mario titles (Super Paper Mario probably one below that).
Not sure about Louigi, I kind of liked Louigi's Mansion, but I think I understand what you mean about his personality change. (not sure about that "real life" comment, I'm pretty sure you're not referring to John Leguizamo though XD)

I loved the Xbox, and it's many innovations (pretty much all hard drive related) but I hate the 360 since it breaks.
Every single one of my friends who have had a 360 has had theirs break. Not all to red rings of death either. It's most certainly the PS2 of this generation. (I hated PS2 and avoided it because it broke all the time, and because it was just a pretty bad piece of hardware in general...my PS3 has PS2 compatibility though, lucky me)

PS2, like PS1's main advantage was huge 3rd party support an dmassive library. Downsides are complex and somewhat less capable hardware (in some aspects compared to GC/Xbox or even DC in a couple aspects), 2-controllers natively, mediocre controllers (persoanl comfort oppinion compared to GC or even duke, but not Xbox S-types).
We were a GC housefuld and I was/am satisfied with it, a freind had the xbox and I played it a ton, usually co-op or vs multiplayer. Theat, or just back seat gamed, or took turns. I'm definitely more fond of that big black box and the little black (ours) and gray cube than that blue trimmed black monolith.

I'm not fond of the PS3, but Sony's in last so they're actually trying to compete this generation, and you can feel it.
That said, I'm pretty pissed at them right now, because they ruined the default XMB's Night Time Theme (and you can't bring the old one back)

I'll bet that Sony's makeing more profit from the PS3 than Microsoft is for the 360 (which is probably a net loss even from all the liceincing royaltees). In that respect the PS3 is more successful, plus Sony still has the PS2 selling surprizingly well)

Different strokes for different folks I guess

I'm an adventure game fan, so I enjoyed the fre roaming portions of SA1, though SA2 had a more fluid gameplay style and felt more polished in general. (and the plot was more interesting -and voice acting was somewhat better, perhaps the music as well -which was somteimes good, sometimes OK to mediocre)
The camer was the main problem with SM64, something the fixed with sunshine and kept conventional 3D platforming with a bit of a twist. Galaxy feels off somehow.

I don't have much of a nostalgia factor for the 2D sonc games, other than Sonic CD on PC and a S3K demo, I didn't have it growing up (though I did grow up with the AoSTH cartoon -though never watched any nintendo cartoons of the time -granted most came somewhat earlier and weren't repeated as long in syndication -at least on broadcast as we don't have cable)
The Sonic games (probably 3&K the most) along with Yoshi's Island are probably my favorite 2D platformers, probably not least because I'm actually pretty good at them, 2D platforming tends not to be a stong suit of mine. (flight sims, yes or rail shooters, and a variety of 2D/3D adventure games)

That's probably also why I enjoy 3D blast's pseudo 3D platforming more than most seem to.

[PimpUigi]

I had GC with my Xbox (a little before actually) and I think they tided me over nicely until I got the PS3 (for a ridiculously cheap $60...but that's what happens when you hook people up all the time. Good comes back to you.)

I love how Xbox basically became Dreamcast 2 with Shenmue, JSRF, Panzer Dragoon Orta, and Gunvalkyrie.

[Knuckle Duster]

The only thing that bothered me about Super Mario Galaxy was it's childishness.

Sure, the game play is excellent, but certainly too complex for anybody 10 and under to entirely handle. Then there's the presentation; The perfect balance between 'weird fantasy & childishness' put out by SMB3 was almost regained, but not quite.

It should have been darker, SM64 nailed it & SM Sunshine absolutely did a 180; nosediving the franchise into a steaming pile of teletubbie feces.
That being said, I can't wait for Epic Mickey.

[PimpUigi]

Wow you got Uber Cool Nerd God?

I got 50% on everything except sci fi and history, so I got "Non-nerd"

Anyway...I hated SMB 3.
Super Mario World was the perfect Mario, and SMB 3 nearly drove me to never play Mario again.
I love the first world, but then the sand world comes up, and it's instant depression, and hard times ahead for the rest of the game.
I also had fun with Sky world, that was fun.
Even if I use both tute toots, and go straight to world 8...the game is an instant depression chip inserted into my brain.

That combined with Sonic coming out, nearly put me off of Mario forever.
Luckily, I played Super Mario World right before I found out what a Genesis was (and assumed I must be playing Super Mario World on a Genesis...) and got caught up in Sonic and everything awesome on Genesis.

So I always wanted and asked for a Super Nintendo after I got a Genesis, just so I could play Super Mario World (which wound up being my last SNES game, as my SNES came packed in with DKC instead, a game I would have never had the pleasure of playing otherwise since I disliked DK...unlike the commercials at the time were advertising; 5 Mario games with 1 System, so we bought Mario All Stars...didn't come with Super Mario World - wtf, trashed, lost, and strung out I got Super Star Wars, Top Gear, and Zelda as christmas presents. Super Star Wars was the biggest let down ever, completely non-super compared to the NES version that we also already owned, and then finally after beating every Mario level in a chronological row on All Stars [SMB 1-3] - to get the final level in Mario The Lost Levels, I was allowed to get Super Mario World, my day of joy completely ruined by an article in a magazine about a game I would regretfully never get until last year - Super Mario World 2, the 2nd best Mario game ever to me) and man was it ever worth it.
Super Mario World is perfect. Yoshi, Cape (a SUPER Super Mario) Luigi is the same sprite as Mario still, great music, difficulty I could manage (unlike SMB 3, which without All Stars saving I would have never beaten) and with a Sega Genesis by my side.

I just can't see how SMB 3 could ever be more popular than SMW.
Hence why in GameFaqs most recent game battle, SMW owned SMB 3
Good times.

[InternalPrimate]

I'll admit that I'm biased towards Super Mario Galaxy. I loved it. Every last Star of it. It just blows both SM64 and Sunshine out of the water in level and goal variety. It's also the most beautiful game on the Wii. And I loved the way Nintendo mostly took the camera out of user hands. SM64 had a bad camera, Sunshine had a worse camera.

As for the story... I've never played a Mario title for it's epic tales Just give me some goombas to stomp on, and some platforms to jump across and I'll be good.

[kool kitty89]

It should have been darker, SM64 nailed it & SM Sunshine absolutely did a 180; nosediving the franchise into a steaming pile of teletubbie feces.
That being said, I can't wait for Epic Mickey.

Yeah, I liked that aspect of SM64, the dark, creep/scarry boss stages and music. Still, it was the controll and gameplay I was talking about with sunshine compared to galaxy (and the camera as well, which was mediocre in 64). I didn't mind th elight hearted gameplay, sort of more liek Wind Waker vs OOT (or MM), although Wind Waker was pretty dark at some points. (but Gannondorf seemed less threating, and I felt much more sympathetic toward him, more of an anti-hero than a villan)

[runback22]

You're so right, Nintendo should be embarrassed. How will they ever show their faces in this town again

Honestly though, this generation is my second favorite, only behind the 16-bit systems. I'm playing way more now than I did with my PS2/Xbox/Gamecube, and I owned all three of those close to launch.

It all comes down to personal preference. I love how nearly every game on the 360 (and PS3) is multiplayer driven, and I fully enjoy playing games with the Wii Remote, not to mention the best current gen game being on the Wii.

Hookers, strippers, and crack dealers make a ton of "sales" also...Doesnt mean they should be proud about it.

[InternalPrimate]

Come on now guys, can't you see the immaturity in comparing Nintendo to crack dealers and prostitutes? I mean come on...



Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's a bad product. Ask the senior citizens and the little children and the females and every other demographic you can come up with and insult with demeaning labels. People like the Wii. I'll go ahead and spot you 20 million units in which people are disappointed with their purchase. It still outsells the 360 and PS3.

[Guntz]

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's a bad product. Ask the senior citizens and the little children and the females and every other demographic you can come up with and insult with demeaning labels. People like the Wii. I'll go ahead and spot you 20 million units in which people are disappointed with their purchase. It still outsells the 360 and PS3.

You sure don't hear people clamoring over how much software the Wii sells, only hardware. That perfectly demonstrates the demographics you are talking about. Granny buys the Wii with Wii Sports included and NOTHING ELSE.

[17daysolderthannes]

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's a bad product. Ask the senior citizens and the little children and the females and every other demographic you can come up with and insult with demeaning labels. People like the Wii. I'll go ahead and spot you 20 million units in which people are disappointed with their purchase. It still outsells the 360 and PS3.

you know what, I bet they would like it better if the developers actually gave a shit enough to make their shovelware actual good games. Games don't need to be complicated, hard, or long to be good games, but for christ sakes they should at least be beyond a high school freshman quality flash game. I mean, they aren't even trying. I can see the Wii becoming the next 2600, and by that I mean its piles and piles of shit alienate its customers to disown Nintendo. The people that buy Wiis are the same ones that bought Razor scooters a few years ago. Yeah, I bet Razor is having some great year end profits nowadays.

[j_factor]

NES and Game Boy both had shitloads of shovelware. Its existence won't kill your mother. Get over it. It's not like there aren't non-shovelware games out there.

It's more powerful than the origianl Xbox for sure

Is it? I originally assumed it was, but I'm not so sure now. Nintendo is a bit secretive about the details of the Wii hardware, so we can only speculate (unless developer commentary surfaces). The Xbox can output 720p or 1080i, Wii can't. And I don't think the Wii graphics chip supports anisotropic filtering like the Xbox one does (at least, I haven't seen it apparent in the games). The most technically competent Wii games don't look, to me, any better than Xbox games from 2005.

I like the Wii, but technically, it's a piece of crap. Even its progressive scan support isn't universal. Dreamcast's video chip natively and by default supports progressive scan with no apparent cost in performance; only a few games turn it off, mainly 2D games that weren't developed for it -- but even they can be forced. Apparently, Dreamcast is more advanced than Wii.

Still, it's not like every Wii game looks like ass. I regularly play Playstation and Saturn games, so I don't really have a problem with Wii graphics. People who shun games out of graphical snootiness miss out on a lot of good experiences.

[17daysolderthannes]

NES and Game Boy both had shitloads of shovelware. Its existence won't kill your mother. Get over it. It's not like there aren't non-shovelware games out there.

yeah, but the NES was during a period of growth, even somewhat bad NES games were usually still better than what was available for the Atari, etc. The Wii is taking a step back.

[gamevet]

Is it? I originally assumed it was, but I'm not so sure now. Nintendo is a bit secretive about the details of the Wii hardware, so we can only speculate (unless developer commentary surfaces). The Xbox can output 720p or 1080i, Wii can't.

The only game I know of that supported 720p on the Xbox was Soul Calibur II. I don't recall playing any Xbox games in 1080i though, even though the Xbox dashboard would let you checkmark that setting for games that supported it. GT4 on the PS2 supported 1080i, btw.

And I don't think the Wii graphics chip supports anisotropic filtering like the Xbox one does (at least, I haven't seen it apparent in the games). The most technically competent Wii games don't look, to me, any better than Xbox games from 2005.

Rogue Squadron II was the most techinically impressive game of that generation. It pushed the GC hardware beyond what Nintendo said the system was capable of. The last Madden on the GC was often praised as being the best looking version as well.

I just can't see how SMB 3 could ever be more popular than SMW.
Hence why in GameFaqs most recent game battle, SMW owned SMB 3
Good times.

SMW felt like SMB 3 version 2.0. It had prettier graphics, added Yoshi and really cool sound effects, but the game felt very much like I'd been there before.